57 COVID deaths in GA today: Post-opening spike starting?

You’re right. The DPH doesn’t specifically recommend those with learning disabilities to get tested. You’re in the clear. Smh

You’re probably unfamiliar with Kathleen Toomey. She’s said it several times in interviews and press conferences. I’m not going to include more links that you won’t read. If you are truly interested (I doubt you really are), you can do a simple search of Toomey, DPH, and testing.

You remind me of the story about the Preacher and the flood.

I’m done with you. You’re either obtuse or just a troll. Given your responses, I’ll go with the latter. Not sure why you would find it funny to joke around about this.

I asked for proof of your assertion. You refused to provide it. Indeed, we are done.

OMG honey I so sad to be the one to tell you this but..

Covid is SOOOOO last season... what's wrong with you silly goose don't you know it's allll about the riots now.

Riot gear is IN, Covid hysteria is OUT. So toss that little silly mask aside like it's a condom at Pride event and trade it in for a bandanna, brick, or anything else yo can use to "fight tha man."

Fat hurts wrote:

GA Gal wrote:

You’re right. The DPH doesn’t specifically recommend those with learning disabilities to get tested. You’re in the clear. Smh

You’re probably unfamiliar with Kathleen Toomey. She’s said it several times in interviews and press conferences. I’m not going to include more links that you won’t read. If you are truly interested (I doubt you really are), you can do a simple search of Toomey, DPH, and testing.

I asked for proof of your assertion. You refused to provide it. Indeed, we are done.

Already provided it, but since you are so well read (as you’ve stated), you already knew it.

Good riddance, troll.

It’s sad that you feel it’s okay to troll on a topic that has damaged so many Georgia families.

Yes, it does look Georgia is headed for a plateau after the spike. We will know more in the coming days.

I'm not sure about deaths though. If we really did experience a spike in cases then you expect that to be followed by a spike in deaths a few weeks later. Perhaps doctors are getting better at treatment and we won't see so many deaths.

Getting back to whether Georgia should have reopened, we can compare to Sweden. Sweden is now having regrets. From the Guardian:

Sweden’s chief epidemiologist and the architect of its light-touch approach to the coronavirus has acknowledged that the country has had too many deaths from Covid-19 and should have done more to curb the spread of the virus.

Anders Tegnell, who has previously criticised other countries’ strict lockdowns as not sustainable in the long run, told Swedish Radio on Wednesday that there was “quite obviously a potential for improvement in what we have done” in Sweden.

Asked whether too many people in Sweden had died, he replied: “Yes, absolutely,” adding that the country would “have to consider in the future whether there was a way of preventing” such a high toll.

Per the Atlanta Journal Constitution.

Total covid deaths in Georgia

End of the day Wednesay 6/3/20 -- 2,123. End of previous day and the one before that, 2102 and 2089, respectively

Daily deaths = 13 on Tuesday and 21 on Wednesday.

Not quite the spike the media is telling us

Giles Corey wrote:

Per the Atlanta Journal Constitution.

Total covid deaths in Georgia

End of the day Wednesay 6/3/20 -- 2,123. End of previous day and the one before that, 2102 and 2089, respectively

Daily deaths = 13 on Tuesday and 21 on Wednesday.

Not quite the spike the media is telling us

As I said above, it's too early to know if the spike in cases will lead to a spike in deaths.

Not necessarily true. The higher risk for hospitalization groups like 65+ and pre-existing conditions are still under a shelter order. There are also stricter regulations for senior care centers. According to the stats, 50% of deaths of people with coronavirus were in nursing homes. It is likely that a much higher percentage of positives are from healthy people who will not die. The hospitalization and ventilator numbers seem support this hypothesis.

brazen2 wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

Yes, it does look Georgia is headed for a plateau after the spike. We will know more in the coming days.

I'm not sure about deaths though. If we really did experience a spike in cases then you expect that to be followed by a spike in deaths a few weeks later. Perhaps doctors are getting better at treatment and we won't see so many deaths.

Not necessarily true. The higher risk for hospitalization groups like 65+ and pre-existing conditions are still under a shelter order. There are also stricter regulations for senior care centers. According to the stats, 50% of deaths of people with coronavirus were in nursing homes. It is likely that a much higher percentage of positives are from healthy people who will not die. The hospitalization and ventilator numbers seem support this hypothesis.

Yes, that's entirely possible and I hope you are right.

I wonder if Brian Kemp is going to lift the order on people 65+. It expires in just 8 days.

brazen2 wrote:

Not necessarily true. The higher risk for hospitalization groups like 65+ and pre-existing conditions are still under a shelter order. There are also stricter regulations for senior care centers. According to the stats, 50% of deaths of people with coronavirus were in nursing homes. It is likely that a much higher percentage of positives are from healthy people who will not die. The hospitalization and ventilator numbers seem support this hypothesis.

Basically, all that needed to be done in the first place. What an amazing overreaction, yet people still defend it.

Fat hurts wrote:

Giles Corey wrote:

Per the Atlanta Journal Constitution.

Total covid deaths in Georgia

End of the day Wednesay 6/3/20 -- 2,123. End of previous day and the one before that, 2102 and 2089, respectively

Daily deaths = 13 on Tuesday and 21 on Wednesday.

Not quite the spike the media is telling us

As I said above, it's too early to know if the spike in cases will lead to a spike in deaths.

Right.

We have been told the same thing for three plus months.

WWRD wrote:

brazen2 wrote:

Not necessarily true. The higher risk for hospitalization groups like 65+ and pre-existing conditions are still under a shelter order. There are also stricter regulations for senior care centers. According to the stats, 50% of deaths of people with coronavirus were in nursing homes. It is likely that a much higher percentage of positives are from healthy people who will not die. The hospitalization and ventilator numbers seem support this hypothesis.

Basically, all that needed to be done in the first place. What an amazing overreaction, yet people still defend it.

We used to have strict regulations on infection control in nursing homes. But president Trump has gotten rid of those regulations. So protecting our seniors is not so easy.

Also note that Sweden tried to protect nursing homes while keeping their economy open. It didn't work. Sweden is 7th worst in deaths per capita. And their economy is in the toilet.

The only plan that has worked is the one where everyone goes into quarantine for 2 to 3 months. Then when you come out, there are so few cases that it is easy to manage and the economy is able to bounce back.

Giles Corey wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

As I said above, it's too early to know if the spike in cases will lead to a spike in deaths.

Right.

We have been told the same thing for three plus months.

No we haven't. Cases didn't start going back up until May 11th.

brazen2 wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

Yes, it does look Georgia is headed for a plateau after the spike. We will know more in the coming days.

I'm not sure about deaths though. If we really did experience a spike in cases then you expect that to be followed by a spike in deaths a few weeks later. Perhaps doctors are getting better at treatment and we won't see so many deaths.

Not necessarily true. The higher risk for hospitalization groups like 65+ and pre-existing conditions are still under a shelter order. There are also stricter regulations for senior care centers. According to the stats, 50% of deaths of people with coronavirus were in nursing homes. It is likely that a much higher percentage of positives are from healthy people who will not die. The hospitalization and ventilator numbers seem support this hypothesis.

^This. As was the plan to get it under control.

Now we have to test, trace, and quarantine positives.

GA Gal wrote:

brazen2 wrote:

Not necessarily true. The higher risk for hospitalization groups like 65+ and pre-existing conditions are still under a shelter order. There are also stricter regulations for senior care centers. According to the stats, 50% of deaths of people with coronavirus were in nursing homes. It is likely that a much higher percentage of positives are from healthy people who will not die. The hospitalization and ventilator numbers seem support this hypothesis.

^This. As was the plan to get it under control.

Now we have to test, trace, and quarantine positives.

Agree. Testing and tracing are key.

"In the last 100 days, the American ally in the Far East has normalized daily life in the face of the coronavirus pandemic by a robust testing system coupled with an expansive contact tracing operation – all built on a foundation of massive amounts of data."

"Experts with whom ABC News spoke said South Korea's greater success in fighting the outbreak came in part due to its ability to institute widespread coronavirus testing and contact tracing far earlier in the pandemic, cheap and effective care for those who got infected, and, perhaps most importantly, a greater cultural trust in the government whose transparent and consistent messaging prompted citizens to take more protective measures ahead of the virus and generally support more aggressive contact tracing methods in its wake."

Better link.

6/4 Stats

The world took a step in the wrong direction on Thursday, with high death counts in Brazil and Mexico offsetting a small improvement in the US. The US was only third most deadly nation, after leading the pack for many weeks.

I've been writing about being on a plateau...but maybe it was a U shaped bottom for the globe as this thing takes root in poor nations Brazil, Mexico, India, Pakistan, Russia.

Worldwide, the rolling 7 day average of daily deaths moved to its highest number since May 23.

But the US hit a cyclical low in daily deaths - hitting its lowest number since April 4.

The US is still on the right trajectory. New case counts in the US have been stable for a month, not rising. While deaths are falling. A scientist could tell us what that means. Probably it means we are finding better ways to protect old people.

Meanwhile global case counts continue to rise - in fact they've never fallen. That's a bad sign.

Question now:

Will countries showing quick increases in counts see the kinds of per capita deaths in Europe and the US? That's the big question. Brazil, Mexico, India, Pakistan, Russia.

No change in the rankings of the countries and US states I follow.

agip, my regular buddy from a different discussion under a different fake name (no guesses please),

global trends are alarming. Here is daily cases and fatalities for the whole world over the last four months (all figures 7-day average; data taken from JHU web map github repository):

https://ibb.co/74JzhLH

New cases are screaming upward, and fatalities have jerked sharply upward over the last week.

Recent growth is dominated by early outbreaks in Central / South America, Africa, eastern Mediterranean and southeast Asia, as you can see in the following map of 2-week change in daily cases:

https://ibb.co/jk1J2CT

In the map, blue means declining cases, green is roughly constant, yellow, orange and red are gradual, steep and very steep rise.

This is not going away, and this is not about Trump. This is about global public health.