Caster Semenya is delusional: "I can do anything from 100m to a marathon..I call myself 'supernatural'."

Yes, she is supernatural, we know that. Back in the days we used to call it a freak of nature, now that is politically incorrect.

She is also becoming supernaturally stupid.

Stoppit Smith wrote:

Wait. Robert Johnson (Rojo) just made a new thread.

He's here.

No answers?

i just don't see why Rojo needs to start ANOTHER thread about this

Stoppit Smith wrote:

Random?

You would not have entered a post about Caster Semenya ready to defend the complexities of Rojo if you were random.

Stop

This isn't a contest or team sport. The idea is to improve our understanding of one another and not malign those who disagree.

Understanding? Ok, I get it. Many people have ideas about Semenya in terms of what they feel about her right to compete, but had you read the whole article (I did), you would understand why Rojo showed a pronounced lack of understanding by attacking her statement/goal/dream here. Rojo maligned Semenya. Again. For something different. Again. I'm no stranger to letsrun and the Semenya attacks. I have been within many defending Semenya. But what Mr. Johnson did would be like him saying that he is good enough to win a Pulitzer Prize to a local paper, me actively seeking articles about Robert Johnson for the sake of finding out what he is doing, finding his statement, publishing it and slamming it. If he has never met, nor actively spoken to Caster Semenya, this kind of journalism is highly irresponsible. What is there to understand besides a deep-seated vendetta???

randompasserby wrote:

Stoppit Smith wrote:

Random?

You would not have entered a post about Caster Semenya ready to defend the complexities of Rojo if you were random.

Stop

This isn't a contest or team sport. The idea is to improve our understanding of one another and not malign those who disagree.

Here's your answer.

For years, she was accepted as a female. This new legislation on the actual sex really originated by a witch hunt by Sebastian Coe to defend a heartbroken Laura Muir, and this is what people are not saying.

Those in the Muir camp are truly showing that they have a cellular vision if what a true female must look like (not unlike the reasons why WNBA Center Brittney Griner suffered persecution). However, it was widely accepted for a long time that Caster Semenya was an intersex female.

There had been suspicions of intersex athletes in Asian or European countries, but nobody pursued it or came at the athletes with the fervor that Semenya is receiving.

You see that she's of African descent, you see her face, you see her as an easy target.

Mr. Johnson has made many non-clinical assessments in the past about his view of Semenya. If you examine past threads, you'll see that the rhetoric he uses crosses several lines.

Letsrun.com takes pride in their coverage of the sport of running, but Mr. Johnson has taken it upon himself to be a vulture against Semenya. Right now, he is being a bully. As he is, in fact, a new uncle, I'd entreat him to re-examine how he views females.

Furthermore, he should leave Caster Semenya alone until she does something wrong.

All very emotional.

Simple fact is that Semenya is a physiological male competing in the category for physiological females.

Whether the scam worked for 1 month or a decade, it doesn't change those facts.

No. Those remain your facts and the facts of those that agree with your.

Her official clinical pronouncement of sex is what prevails.

Not Coe.

Not CAS.

Not any agency.

Regardless if any international sport agency considers her male (they haven't) or considers her as having too high of a testosterone level (they have), the fact is that she was labeled female.

That's it. No more tap dancing about this. Show me where anyone has clinically determined that she's a man.

But what this really is about is quite sad, we all know this right?

Suddenly Caster Semenya really isn't somebody we need to talk about anymore. She's been fairly made ineligible to compete in the womens category of the 800m because scientifically she does not have the physical characteristics of a woman, and now that this decision has been made and there are no appeals, she has, for better or worse slipped out of the spotlight.

For some individuals this can be hard to accept and this is when they resort to these sorts of basically delusional comments in order to at the very least become relevant and talked about again - even if in the sense of the general consensus here which is that she is crazy.

This is more of a cry for help if anything. Caster Semenya I'm sure has some context of track and field and performance. She knows that even if she managed to break 23 seconds for the 200m (which I would be very impressed if she could) this equates to maybe a 2nd round exit at a major championships at absolute best.

So yeah, nice that she satisfied the itch so to speak by getting in the news, but we should all just relax and take with a grain of salt.

Stoppit Smith wrote:

Regardless if any international sport agency considers her male (they haven't) or considers her as having too high of a testosterone level (they have), the fact is that she was labeled female.

Semenya is 45-XY DSD. These people are physiologically male who are often misidentified at birth.

I.e. Semenya is a man making a lot of money scamming the sport. Laura Muir isn't the only female athlete who has been conned out of a medal by this individual.

No. She was determined to have 46XY 5-ARD (IAAF) This shows her testosterone levels at the level of a male and not of an XX female (IAAF) Nobody has declared her physiologically male. Find a source of this...specifically for Semenya's case.

trollism wrote:

Stoppit Smith wrote:

Regardless if any international sport agency considers her male (they haven't) or considers her as having too high of a testosterone level (they have), the fact is that she was labeled female.

Semenya is 45-XY DSD. These people are physiologically male who are often misidentified at birth.

I.e. Semenya is a man making a lot of money scamming the sport. Laura Muir isn't the only female athlete who has been conned out of a medal by this individual.

Stoppit Smith wrote:

No. She was determined to have 46XY 5-ARD (IAAF)

This shows her testosterone levels at the level of a male and not of an XX female (IAAF)

Nobody has declared her physiologically male.

Find a source of this...specifically for Semenya's case.

trollism wrote:

Semenya is 45-XY DSD. These people are physiologically male who are often misidentified at birth.

I.e. Semenya is a man making a lot of money scamming the sport. Laura Muir isn't the only female athlete who has been conned out of a medal by this individual.

You know someone with XY chromosomes and no significant PAIS in sporting terms would have to be a male athlete yes?

Your emotional response to this is irrelevant. These are the cold hard facts. An XY athlete with a normal response to testosterone can't be competing in the female category.

It's interesting how much this matters to you though, I'm intrigued as to why. It can't just be a vendetta against the Brojos, you've got something going on here given you pop up every time there's a thread over a matter of years.

Absolutely. Because I am not a troll, but I disagree vehemently with the way Caster Semenya is treated here, specifically. The CAS and IAAF while investigating Semenya deeply speak in agency and professional terms. On letsrun.com, she is slung through the gutter using the basest and most patronizing language I've ever seen. I have no vendetta against the Johnson Brothers, but what they have allowed to happen here while calling it journalism is beyond atrocious. As some of you recall, I first came here in defense of AJ Acosta several years ago. I had just seen Acosta at the Carlsbad 5000 that year and as a fellow San Diegan then (I'm now by Nashville), i wanted to see how his career was going. I came upon Letsrun.com piling on Acosta. So i entered. Since then, I've been in threads defending Acosta of course, but also Cain, Rupp, Webb, Hall, and Semenya to name a few. These are professional athletes. The way that they are being dragged in the most awful of the sewers of the room is an affront to anyone that would call themselves a journalist. Even Star Magazine, the National Enquirer and the New York Post use better language and less vile descriptors than letsrun.com. Furthermore, the endless vitriol is perpetuated and sometimes even perpetrated by the Johnson Brothers themselves. This has been so very not okay for so long, so yes I will continue to evaluate these threads and post when I feel that someone has been stripped of their dignity. quote]trollism wrote:

Stoppit Smith wrote:

No. She was determined to have 46XY 5-ARD (IAAF)

This shows her testosterone levels at the level of a male and not of an XX female (IAAF)

Nobody has declared her physiologically male.

Find a source of this...specifically for Semenya's case.

trollism wrote:

Semenya is 45-XY DSD. These people are physiologically male who are often misidentified at birth.

I.e. Semenya is a man making a lot of money scamming the sport. Laura Muir isn't the only female athlete who has been conned out of a medal by this individual.

You know someone with XY chromosomes and no significant PAIS in sporting terms would have to be a male athlete yes?

Your emotional response to this is irrelevant. These are the cold hard facts. An XY athlete with a normal response to testosterone can't be competing in the female category.

It's interesting how much this matters to you though, I'm intrigued as to why. It can't just be a vendetta against the Brojos, you've got something going on here given you pop up every time there's a thread over a matter of years.[/quote]

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I really want to know who in World Athletics decided that dropping T, turns a man into a woman.

A man is a man down to every cell in his body. His brain is even different to a woman’s.

It’s like taking a Porsche and taking off a few panels and saying it’s now a go cart.

Do a chromosome test. Write the legal qualification for women’s competition is XX chromosomes. Anyone else competes in the open category. Or, Make an event in the special Olympics. It’s a disability like any other disability. Call it what it is.

23 seconds for the 200m doesn't win anything. It doesn't even qualify for the Olympics. She is not supernatural in anything.

Nice. But it's still not saying that she's a man.

Clinically, it still does address some differences that exist.

The reality is that her genitalia were ambiguous.

It is not uncommon for 5-ARD individuals to be raised as females. Ergo, as far as she was concerned, she was female.

But because the genitalia were ambiguous as a result of the ARD, she's still not a man.