History Channel states that Caitlyn Jenner won the men’s Decathlon

I think it should be Bruce Jenner, now known as …

I think that's how Wikileaks refers to Manning, so that's good enough for me.

I think you're overthinking this. If I was making a documentary about Jenny Simpson, would it make any difference whether I said: a) "Simpson, who was then competing as Jenny Barringer, won the 2009 Bowerman Award," or b) "Barringer, now known as Jenny Simpson, won the 2009 Bowerman Award"? The two seem completely equivalent to me, as do the two ways of describing Jenner's gold.

Elvin wrote:

I think you're overthinking this. If I was making a documentary about Jenny Simpson, would it make any difference whether I said: a) "Simpson, who was then competing as Jenny Barringer, won the 2009 Bowerman Award," or b) "Barringer, now known as Jenny Simpson, won the 2009 Bowerman Award"? The two seem completely equivalent to me, as do the two ways of describing Jenner's gold.

not true. in the case of jenner, somebody very naive out there could read that as somebody born a woman having won an olympic gold medal in a mens event. That would make it a much bigger deal. Specificity is important in this case.

I know that Caitlyn certainly likes the attention.

The difference there is just a marriage vs an entire gender change.

That’s like saying Sir Edmund Hillary was the first guy to reach the top of Mt. Everest. Or Sir Paul McCartney was a member of the Beatles. Or Sir Mo Farah won gold in 2012.

Would Jenner say that the guy is her? I think she would say that it was a different person so there should be no link.

Jenny Barringer changed her name. Bruce Jenner changed into a different person. The person that was Bruce Jenner no longer exists. There is no need to mention Caitlyn Jenner at all.

Not a pronoun to be found in that whole write up.

The Artist Formerly Known As Bruce Jenner

haha I didn't even catch or given second thought to the mens decathlon statement in the article. But yes, it alludes to non runners that a women can win a mens events.

Disregarding any late-stage degeneracy / dominance stuff, neither seems correct.

IPlayTrackFoundation wrote:

“American Caitlyn Jenner—who was competing as Bruce Jenner—wins gold in the men's decathlon at the Montreal Olympics. Jenner's 8,617 points set a world record in the event.”

Correct title? Or should we be saying Bruce Jenner, now known as Caitlyn Jenner?

Amending the first sentence to something like,

formerly named "Bruce Jenner"

addresses the person correctly and does not suggest any change was occurring in the decathlon.

Bruce Gender.

Gender is the range of characteristics pertaining to, and differentiating between, masculinity and femininity. Depending on the context, these characteristics may include biological sex (i.e., the state of being male, female, or an intersex variation), sex-based social structures (i.e., gender roles), or gender identity.[1][2][3] Most cultures use a gender binary, having two genders (boys/men and girls/women);[4] those who exist outside these groups fall under the umbrella term non-binary or genderqueer. Some societies have specific genders besides "man" and "woman", such as the hijras of South Asia; these are often referred to as third genders (and fourth genders, etc.).

Sexologist John Money introduced the terminological distinction between biological sex and gender as a role in 1955. Before his work, it was uncommon to use the word gender to refer to anything but grammatical categories.[1][2] However, Money's meaning of the word did not become widespread until the 1970s, when feminist theory embraced the concept of a distinction between biological sex and the social construct of gender. Today, the distinction is followed in some contexts, especially the social sciences[5][6] and documents written by the World Health Organization (WHO).[3]

In other contexts, including some areas of the social sciences, gender includes sex or replaces it.[1][2] For instance, in non-human animal research, gender is commonly used to refer to the biological sex of the animals.[2] This change in the meaning of gender can be traced to the 1980s. In 1993, the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) started to use gender instead of sex.[7] Later, in 2011, the FDA reversed its position and began using sex as the biological classification and gender as "a person's self representation as male or female, or how that person is responded to by social institutions based on the individual's gender presentation."[8]

The social sciences have a branch devoted to gender studies. Other sciences, such as sexology and neuroscience, are also interested in the subject. The social sciences sometimes approach gender as a social construct, and gender studies particularly do, while research in the natural sciences investigates whether biological differences in males and females influence the development of gender in humans; both inform debate about how far biological differences influence the formation of gender identity. In some English literature, there is also a trichotomy between biological sex, psychological gender, and social gender role. This framework first appeared in a feminist paper on transsexualism in 1978.[2][9]

Yes and if I say I am a marble, does that mean i can enter marble grand prix and win $$$? answer that. what has this world come to

I STAN

He won with a dong. That is Bruce Jenner that won, not this clown of a "woman" like tf is the history channel talking about. This is the same channel that relates aliens to stonehenge so I would say that they are not really reliable and provide lots of misinformation just to troll. Lmao imagine thinking a woman could win a male event in anything at the olympics that is a whole man.