Kenyan paper: Athletics Kenya official asks for doping to be declared a treasonable offense - which requires the death penalty

El Keniano wrote:

Kenya may still have the death penalty on the books - a disgusting and barbaric relic of British colonial rule - but no executions have been enforced since 1987. Presidents are expected to periodically (like annually) commute all death sentences to life imprisonment.

But a president with the leadership, capital and political will to erase these obsolete colonial laws is needed, and soon because anything could happen and a monster/buffoon could rise to power. Look what happened to the United States with their iron-clad constitutional checks and measures.

The death penalty has been around since the code of the code of Hammurabi.

Kenya had the death penalty before the British,

serious crimes such as homicide were also possibly punishable by death depending on how they were carried out.

Just out of curiosity, did whatever structures the Brits replaced have the death penalty? Or were the various local nations who preceded them all so totally enlightened? I think just about everywhere on the planet had the death penalty a couple of hundred years back (except maybe Iceland, who would exile the pyschos and send them off looking for "Vinland").

Coevett wrote:

Whatever it takes.

Actually, there is a case for bringing in the death penalty for the managers and coaches of dopers, especially when young East African runners are still.dropping dead of 'mysterious illnesses'.

What about a death penalty for foreign athletes training in Kenya who are also doping?

What about a death penalty for road race organizers who invite and pay doping Kenyan athletes to compete in their races?- they are the ultimate driving force behind the doping problem when you think about it ...

Coevett wrote:

Maybe bring in punishments for those who watch, defend or glamourise Kenyan dopers? Just as we prosecute those involved in the demand for illegal drugs or porn, we should put in prison those who defend dopers, ceelebrate Kenyan performances, or who even claim that Kenyans in general have a 'running gene' and thereby mask and apologize for the doping ('they would dominate anyway').

Interesting idea to punish the spectators and fans and detractors of the sport alike.

As long as we are breaking fundamental laws and freedom, maybe it should go both ways.

How about punishing anyone who publicly makes false accusations against clean athletes?

Zero tolerance for error!

We've all seen estimates from 14-44% of doping, depending on the flavor you favor.

Sweeping accusations like "they are all doping" includes the remaining 56-86% of athletes.

False accusations causes lifelong harm to reputations of clean athletes and kicks the sport while it is down, and then pours salt into open wounds.

In order to work, the burden must be on the one who wants to speak in a harmful away, in order to encourage self-control and personal responsibility, with a bonus of self-education.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

This includes investigative journalists who present scandalous innuendo based on half-truths and staged entrapment scenarios, only to close with a disclaimer footnote "despite what we just clearly explicitly and implicitly wrote and showed, we do not suggest any wrong-doing".

You are not a lawyer, true wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

Kenya may still have the death penalty on the books - a disgusting and barbaric relic of British colonial rule - but no executions have been enforced since 1987. Presidents are expected to periodically (like annually) commute all death sentences to life imprisonment.

But a president with the leadership, capital and political will to erase these obsolete colonial laws is needed, and soon because anything could happen and a monster/buffoon could rise to power. Look what happened to the United States with their iron-clad constitutional checks and measures.

Kenya and the rest of Africa was so peaceful before .

Yes, it was. Certainly less wars than in Europe. I would be interested in seeing your evidence to the contrary.

Really a brainless comment.Of course we are only talking about professional athletes here.To equate game rule violations with doping crimes was completely crazy!

Brainless wrote:

have you lost your minds? wrote:

Even this is preposterous. Do basketball players face prison time if they get too many technical fouls? Do football players get prison time for unsportsmanlike conduct?

Doping is just breaking the arbitrary rules of track and field (and other sports). There is no penalty for doping if you are not a professional athlete.

The only consequence should be returning any winnings/medals and potential bans from future competing.

Really a brainless comment.Of course we are only talking about professional athletes here.To equate game rule violations with doping crimes was completely crazy!

Doping is not a crime. It is a violation of the rules.

have you lost your minds?? wrote:

Doping is not a crime. It is a violation of the rules.

Doping is a crime in several countries, including Kenya.

Treasonous?

What is treason?

Wow!

That is nonsense.

Yes , I support a jail term and a life ban.

barney23 wrote:

You are not a lawyer, true wrote:

Kenya and the rest of Africa was so peaceful before .

Yes, it was. Certainly less wars than in Europe. I would be interested in seeing your evidence to the contrary.

Show yours.

off score madness wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Whatever it takes.

Actually, there is a case for bringing in the death penalty for the managers and coaches of dopers, especially when young East African runners are still.dropping dead of 'mysterious illnesses'.

What about a death penalty for foreign athletes training in Kenya who are also doping?

What about a death penalty for road race organizers who invite and pay doping Kenyan athletes to compete in their races?- they are the ultimate driving force behind the doping problem when you think about it ...

Yep, them too, but to be fair give them the choice of how they want it carried it, after all, we don't want to come across as barbarians like the USA.

have you lost your minds? wrote:

The only consequence should be returning any winnings/medals and potential bans from future competing.

No.

Cheating athletes are committing fraud and theft on a monumental scale.

Just take Kiprop as an example. It's not simply the prize money or potential sponsorship that he cost Nick Willis and others. You can't put a price on what he did to their careers and lifetime pursuits, rendering them meaningless in a sense as they really never had a chance to achieve their dreams.

Not to mention the reputation of clean athletes, above all clean Kenyan runners (if there are any). Kenyan dopers tarnish the reputation of Kenya itself ( which appears to e the reason for this suggestion to make doping a treasonable offemce) and is likely costing Kenya business and investment.

Then the defrauding of the fans, the integrity of the Olympic Games which cost billions to put on, and other championships, meetings, and the sport itself.

Kenyan Judge and Jury. wrote:

off score madness wrote:

What about a death penalty for foreign athletes training in Kenya who are also doping?

What about a death penalty for road race organizers who invite and pay doping Kenyan athletes to compete in their races?- they are the ultimate driving force behind the doping problem when you think about it ...

Yep, them too, but to be fair give them the choice of how they want it carried it, after all, we don't want to come across as barbarians like the USA.

Well one problem there is that race organizers are in a bit of a bind. If they attempt to ban African athletes as they did in Italy, they get the full force of SJWs against them screaming racist. So perhaps the death penalty for SJWs?

But really you can try to shift the blame all you like, but the fundamental reason for East African doping is you, the doping apologist Afrophiles who worship these cheats and convince yourselves that it doesn't matter, because Gods like Kiprop are so lean and slender with their 'running genes' that they would win anyway.

Teenage Africans dropping dead from doping didn't stop your demands feeding the supply, so young Africans being sent to the gallows wont either.

Btw, yes, foreign athletes caught doping in Kenya should be subjected to the local laws and punishments.

eurodonkey wrote:

Just out of curiosity, did whatever structures the Brits replaced have the death penalty? Or were the various local nations who preceded them all so totally enlightened? I think just about everywhere on the planet had the death penalty a couple of hundred years back (except maybe Iceland, who would exile the pyschos and send them off looking for "Vinland").

Well Kenyan villagers today often burn old men and women alive after accusing them of witchcraft, so I can't imagine what the penal code was like before the pesky British arrived with their weird Enlightenment notions.

I will give credit where credit is due. I AGREE with Bad Wigins. No clown emojis here. What is the world coming to?

2600 bro wrote:

I will give credit where credit is due.

I AGREE with Bad As for the fan, the complaint boils down to product satisfaction - you don't like watching doped athletes, bummer, find another form of entertainment.

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Yeah but Bad Wiggins doesn't seem to understand that most people don't want to watch doped athletes, that's why track and field is about 5% as popular today in Europe as it was 50 years ago.

There's a skewed pro-doping perspective on LetsRun. Most of the people here are former American sub-elites and college athletes, who have experimented with doping, and have no problems with the sport being dominated by doped Africans. The rest are made up mainly of the few hardcore fans left (survivorship bias) who weren't turned off when doping became rampant.

Then there's the issue of it being sold as a clean sport. Last time I checked, consumers have rights, including the right not to be sold fake goods. If Bad Wiggins walked into McDonalds and was served a Big Mac that he later discovered had been deliberately made from cow dung at the local factory, I'm sure he wouldn't say it was enough that the factory boss be disciplined under McDonalds rules of employment. He'd want him put in prison.

Coevett wrote:

No, dopers defraud the fans. I mean real fans, not the type here who often celebrate obvious dopers and wouldn't care if the likes of Kiprop had petrol in their blood and an engine under their shorts.

Unless you don't mean real fans the type who know the sport is full of dopers, you might as well be calling pro wrestlers frauds. Anti-doping is a kayfabe, whether you care about it or not.

This has to be a joke right? I bet < 1% of LRC readers have "experimented with doping." Maybe I understand where your unhinged viewpoints come from if this is one of your starting assumptions.

Coevett wrote:

There's a skewed pro-doping perspective on LetsRun. Most of the people here are former American sub-elites and college athletes, who have experimented with doping, and have no problems with the sport being dominated by doped Africans. The rest are made up mainly of the few hardcore fans left (survivorship bias) who weren't turned off when doping became rampant.

Is this really up to the Kenyan government? Don't they have to have the approval of the Chinese ambassador/Governor General first?