For all of you saying that the shoes are everything, how do you explain this?
https://www.capitalfm.co.ke/sports/2020/05/13/rhonexs-5km-and-10km-world-records-ratified/
Remember, he wasn't wearing Vaporflys.
For all of you saying that the shoes are everything, how do you explain this?
https://www.capitalfm.co.ke/sports/2020/05/13/rhonexs-5km-and-10km-world-records-ratified/
Remember, he wasn't wearing Vaporflys.
EPO?
Bekele ran 26:17 without VF.
It's great talent, great training, and decent shoes.
If you've watch footage of this, you can see he rides the adidas Takumi Sens for all their worth. His heels never come down, so all that Zoom X in the back half of the Nikes wouldn't be benefiting him. The forefoot Boost might not have the highest return, but it's pretty close.
It's a very good question. The VF scrutinizers went very quiet when he broke the world record.
Obviously Epo and if you dont think so you're a naive and coddled individual.
bored man over board wrote:
Obviously Epo and if you dont think so you're a naive and coddled individual.
That in itself isn't really a sufficient explanation, because so many others have used EPO and were still a lot slower.
So, my bet is on a next-to-perfect combo of great talent/training/doping/shoes/course/pacing/weather/..., like for all world records.
A wild Guess wrote:
EPO?
Bekele ran 26:17 without VF.
on a track he did...yes, it makes a difference getting splits every400
We are obviously aware in the World Athletics community that Rhonex Kipruto (KEN) is one of the most massive talents of our generations. Perhaps this pandemic will extend his career from keeping him from over-racing. His only flaw so far has been his final lap change of gear. If he can solve this as Mo Farah (ENG/SOM) did, he could be a potential Olympic or World Champion on the track. We have seen him decimate the best on road, cross, and sometimes track, but needs to be able to close in 52-53" or a final kilometer under 2'24"
The vaporfly series of shoes don't make nearly the difference people think. At the top level these guys are going so fast and all of the best shoes are so close to each other any differences are negligible. I can speak from personal experience, I run in the range of 62/63 minutes for half marathon and I run other races shorter than that, and sometimes I don't wear vaporfly's to save them for bigger races and I don't wear them in many workouts and the differences are negligible. I believe the placebo effect could be strong with some people, but I don't feel it makes a noticeable difference. The bigger difference is any weight differences in shoes.
Takumi Sen are great, but I personally couldn’t wear them for a marathon.
I always think, for shorter distances, the Takumi Sen is better than VF.
Shoes don't really matter wrote:
The vaporfly series of shoes don't make nearly the difference people think. At the top level these guys are going so fast and all of the best shoes are so close to each other any differences are negligible. I can speak from personal experience, I run in the range of 62/63 minutes for half marathon and I run other races shorter than that, and sometimes I don't wear vaporfly's to save them for bigger races and I don't wear them in many workouts and the differences are negligible. I believe the placebo effect could be strong with some people, but I don't feel it makes a noticeable difference. The bigger difference is any weight differences in shoes.
you're probably just a small responder, if a responder at all (rare)
The Takumi Sens are a great racing flat!
He's a great runner. Simple.
It's harder to run on a track than on the road (flat) because on the track you need to turn so often. Modern technology surely allows splits even more often than 400m.
Not every shoe works for every person. Believe it or not, not everyone sees a time improvement wearing Nike anything.
Boost works for Rhonex, apparently, and when combined with everything else that went right for him racing, there are world records. We'll see what Chep has to say about that.
casual obsever wrote:
bored man over board wrote:
Obviously Epo and if you dont think so you're a naive and coddled individual.
That in itself isn't really a sufficient explanation, because so many others have used EPO and were still a lot slower.
So, my bet is on a next-to-perfect combo of great talent/training/doping/shoes/course/pacing/weather/..., like for all world records.
Yep. That's not even a question.
Doping is standard for all of these records, the questions was what else was going on for this to be so fast. So, probably a perfect storm of these other things, like has been said.
I remember when I first ran in adios Boost years ago- noticed 10-15 sec/mile difference at the same effort
Never understood why the Adios Boost (and other Boost shoes like the Boston) didn’t spark the same controversy when they came out that Vaporflys have. Did anyone not respond to Boost at the time?!
use your brain wrote:
A wild Guess wrote:
EPO?
Bekele ran 26:17 without VF.
on a track he did...yes, it makes a difference getting splits every400
Not really. You can only run as fast as you can. Splits don't make you capable of more.
A wild Guess wrote:
use your brain wrote:
on a track he did...yes, it makes a difference getting splits every400
Not really. You can only run as fast as you can. Splits don't make you capable of more.
Ok, sure. Hearing splits every 400 on a dead flat surface certainly wouldn't aid in keeping you on pace;) I bet you're the guy people avoid at parties, eh?
is it really the shoes? wrote:
For all of you saying that the shoes are everything, how do you explain this?
Remember, he wasn't wearing Vaporflys.
Is that some kind of trick question? Drugs. Lot's of drugs. This is the same dude that ran 27 flat to smash the course record at Peachtree in the 10k on a day that was like 80 degrees and 90% humidity.