As others have said, I recommend lacto-ovo.
As others have said, I recommend lacto-ovo.
YOU gained 20 pounds, not your diet.
Unless you’re a mid evil knight or wrestle wild animals for a living, what do you need rapid scar healing for? Where are you getting all these abrasions homey?
We could the whole of vegetarianism for your struggles, or we could hear a bit more about what you've actually been eating. It's easy to try and create a vegetarian diet by removing meat without adding anything new, and it's easy to feel like sh*t doing it.
facts and reason wrote:
Ernest wrote:
I "converted" because I thought it an ethical way to reduce animal suffering.
I don't want to judge you, but you shouldn't make this kind of decision based on emotion.
An alternative would be a lacto-ovo-vegetarian diet or pescatarian diet.
All decisions are based in emotion to some extent. It sounds like OP found an ethical, logical reason to make the switch. And the switch also agreed with his emotional wishes. I think this is a perfectly valid reason to become vegetarian, if there aren't other obstacles in the way.
I think you will find everyone is different and diet impacts may be unique.
Re: healing, I have been a vegetarian for 20 years. I recently had knee surgery and the doctor was shocked how fast my incision healed. At my two week appointment, he said it looked like an incision that had been healing for a month already. At six weeks, my scar is a thin white line and nothing more. Shrug.
Timmy Treadwell wrote:
I think you will find everyone is different and diet impacts may be unique.
Re: healing, I have been a vegetarian for 20 years. I recently had knee surgery and the doctor was shocked how fast my incision healed. At my two week appointment, he said it looked like an incision that had been healing for a month already. At six weeks, my scar is a thin white line and nothing more. Shrug.
Yeah but, it was you being vegetarian for 20 years that caused your knee problem that required the surgery.
biggy smallz wrote:
Cue YMMV in 3...2...1
Where's the beef.
I have not eaten meat for 35 years, let me know when I should start getting fat, ill or deficient in something. People realise that in some parts of the world not eating meat is the norm?
The ethical way to reduce animal suffering is via hunting.
Fallacy Finder. wrote:
Timmy Treadwell wrote:
I think you will find everyone is different and diet impacts may be unique.
Re: healing, I have been a vegetarian for 20 years. I recently had knee surgery and the doctor was shocked how fast my incision healed. At my two week appointment, he said it looked like an incision that had been healing for a month already. At six weeks, my scar is a thin white line and nothing more. Shrug.
Yeah but, it was you being vegetarian for 20 years that caused your knee problem that required the surgery.
Exactly, only vegetarians have knee problems.
Eat more veggies wrote:
Fallacy Finder. wrote:
Yeah but, it was you being vegetarian for 20 years that caused your knee problem that required the surgery.
Exactly, only vegetarians have knee problems.
Well, as a 22-year old vegetarian, both my knees were wrecked with chondramalacia. Now at 63, zero-carb diet, perfect knee health. N=1, but I am one of many.
I was rarely overweight as a plant-based runner, but was always fighting systemic inflammation, probably was pre-diabetic, heart problems, injuries, everything "burning up" basically.
YMMV wrote:
biggy smallz wrote:
Cue YMMV in 3...2...1
:)
Plants don't have:
Vitamin A (beta carotene is poorly converted) , B6 (Pyridoxal, Pyridoxamine), B12, D, E (Animal) F, K2, Q10. Amino acids: Creatine, Carnitine, Carnosine, and Taurine. Also Heme-iron, Collagen, Omegas: DHA, EPA, CLA, Cholesterol and Balanced, fully bioavailable Complete Protein (Consists of 9 essential amino acids)
Antinutrients & TOXINS in plants: Alkaloids, Alpha-amylases, Arsenics, Cellulose, Cyanogenic glycosides, Fiber, Flavonoids, Gluten, Lectins, Mycotoxins, Oxalates, Phenolics, Photosensitizers, Phytic acid, Salicylates, Saponins, Sulforaphane, Tannins, Glucosinolates,Terpenoids and etc. 99.99% of all pesticides in plant food are natural and found in organic produce too.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2217210https://medium.com/@kevinmpm/the-biggest-myth-of-modern-nutrition-healthy-plant-based-diets-66ff4061517d
THANK YOU for your unbiased appraisal of the science! :-)
I am a naturopathic doctor (ND), so I have over 8 years of medical experience. In my practice, 90% of the patients who are sick are also vegans. I make sure to take them off of their vegan diet. Once they renounce their radical veganism, 80% of their symptoms cease.
I tell all of my patients to adopt the Raw Red Meat diet (RRM diet). Meat is THE OPTIMAL human nutrition (it's just science, you can't deny this). Furthermore, raw red meat has NO CARCINOGENS.
MAGAKAG
Crooked Hillary wrote:
I commend you for trying. The suffering and mistreatment of animals bothers me too, but I didn’t have enough willpower to go off meat.
Healthier or not, it’s a shame that so few care about mistreating animals.
I am a naturopathic doctor (ND), and a libertarian. I believe that it is actually LESS ethical to be vegan.
1) Plant farming murders FAR MORE insects and plants with herbicides and insecticides.
2) Bovines, poultry, etc have been bred by humans for the sole purpose of being consumed for MILLENNIA. At this point, they actually WANT to be eaten. It would be unethical to not allow these noble creatures to fulfill their destiny.
MAGAKAG
YMMV wrote:
Rhodium Nights wrote:
"SAD dieter" Huh?! I never said I was on a diet. Way to assume and make an ass out of yourself.
Standard American Diet, i.e. "no diet" i.e. garbage.
FFS you have no idea what I eat. You don't even know if I'm American.
You could have just asked me, instead of making assumptions and looking like a fool... SIGH.
RAW red meat is kind of hard to stomach...what's wrong with cooking it?
Rhodium Nights wrote:
YMMV wrote:
Standard American Diet, i.e. "no diet" i.e. garbage.
FFS you have no idea what I eat. You don't even know if I'm American.
You could have just asked me, instead of making assumptions and looking like a fool... SIGH.
WTF, you mean there's a world outside of the USA?
Hey. I think that the time of your vegan diet could coincide with an exacerbation of a disease such as diabetes. You definitely need to take tests and check the condition of your body. Otherwise, irreversible processes are possible. For example, I take vitamins
because some micronutrients are poorly absorbed during veganism or are not absent at all.
Fallacy Finder. wrote:
Timmy Treadwell wrote:
I think you will find everyone is different and diet impacts may be unique.
Re: healing, I have been a vegetarian for 20 years. I recently had knee surgery and the doctor was shocked how fast my incision healed. At my two week appointment, he said it looked like an incision that had been healing for a month already. At six weeks, my scar is a thin white line and nothing more. Shrug.
Yeah but, it was you being vegetarian for 20 years that caused your knee problem that required the surgery.
LOL, no. It was a serious fall and wrench of the knee which snapped a tendon.
Thanks for the responses and insights.
Nothing I saw in or linked in this thread made me want to renounce my new-found non-meat ways, though i am open to it if need be.
Though it does seem plain from what was shared (and from my experience) maintaining a healthy diet over the longer term is more difficult as a vegan/vegetarian.
i have never been a pill-popper, but will begin taking a multi-vitamin and B12.
I am also getting a full blood panel done and will compare results to those taken before I became a vegetarian.
If I see anything interesting, I'll post the before/after.