Michigan State move over, Michigan track team now facing trouble for allegedly not acting on sexual assault

This case appears to have more evidence than the Michigan state situation.

the espn article has their names in it.

Imagine your career ending because of 2 walk on level kids

imagineerthis wrote:

Imagine your career ending because of 2 walk on level kids

Imagine your career ending because you're a POS and a total idiot, to boot

imagineerthis wrote:

Imagine your career ending because of 2 walk on level kids

Idiot.

What every parent should tell their kids going off to college: If you feel you have been assaulted --- go to the police. They handle these things everyday of the year. Colleges try to ignore the allegations in the hope that it will go away. If/when they investigate, the schools are amateurs who don't really know what they are doing and really don't know how to investigate criminal complaints. The police will cut through the matter at hand ---- they will ask you if you want to press charges or they may advise you that it is your word against the other person. That is not to downplay the complaint because if there are physical injuries due to rape or assault the cops will tell you to get to the hospital as soon as possible because delay makes the charges weaker. Bottom line: if you want the complaint handled immediately go to the police. If you want to drag the complaint out for months --- go to your Dean of Discipline.

PS... you may get some police departments who want to keep good relations with the local college and might tell you to go to campus security first ---- but you don't have to. See the top officer who is on duty at the time and tell him you want to file a complaint. You are not only a resident of the college but a resident of the local community so you have the right to do that.

Cant these guys just get their jollies jacking off in the frat houses?

This is so much easier said than done.

A very, very good close to mind was assaulted a few years ago. She didn't report it at first. She couldn't believe it happened -- how could a close friend do that? She felt dirty, so she took a shower, which obfuscated some evidence. She pored over everything she did: did she wear something too revealing, did she say something too flirty? When it happens to you, you wonder if it's your fault.

When she did finally tell someone, the first person she said didn't believe her, since she knew the friend who did it. Imagine how that must feel. And then imagine how it might feel when a police officer does the same thing, when they took ask you what you were wearing, did you have anything to drink, and why you took a shower.

"Just go to the cops" is good advice, but abusers have been getting away with the crimes for as long as there have been humans on Earth because it's just not that easy.

Similarly, FAKE sexual assault allegations happen all the time, too. Which is why evidence is REQUIRED.

I have been in and around the Michigan program since the 80s. So has James Henry. I don't know him well, but do know many athletes who have been on his teams. What is claimed by this person goes against what I know of Coach Henry, but if he said what she says he said then it's time for him to get out of coaching. However, without irrefutable evidence I will choose to believe a lifetime of evidence over claims of an athlete who could have motivations to make false accusations.

If other athletes come forward who can verify this type of thing has happened before, Coach Henry's judgement isn't what I thought and should probably be dismissed.

A sad situation for all regardless of the outcome.

imagineerthis wrote:

Imagine your career ending because of 2 walk on level kids and one was sexually assaulted and you totally ignored it and shamed her

fixed

0ii-op wrote:go to your Dean of Discipline.

Dean of Discipline, sounds hot.

I have had the unluckiness to know several people who were sexually assaulted (at least I believe they were) and the above is true. Women have heard all of these stories. I think the reaction of cops and prosecutors now is changing.

I agree on going to the cops and also filing a report with the university. I also think universities unless they have actual law enforcement units on campus (campus police are not always "police". many lack training or the power to arrest or carry a weapon) that the Dean of Students is not trained to handle such investigations and the campus proceedings are wholly unfair. (The recent change from the Dept of Ed should help that).

All the time? False. Some people have conflated a lack of an indictment, lack of bringing charges, or a conviction as something being a fake allegation. I am not saying they do not happen, just that it is a pretty low number.

Another Option wrote:

I have been in and around the Michigan program since the 80s. So has James Henry. I don't know him well, but do know many athletes who have been on his teams. What is claimed by this person goes against what I know of Coach Henry, but if he said what she says he said then it's time for him to get out of coaching. However, without irrefutable evidence I will choose to believe a lifetime of evidence over claims of an athlete who could have motivations to make false accusations.

If other athletes come forward who can verify this type of thing has happened before, Coach Henry's judgement isn't what I thought and should probably be dismissed.

A sad situation for all regardless of the outcome.

Not to impune Coach Henry as I know virtually nothing about him, but this sort of "He (or she) would never do such a thing based on what I know" is said about a lot of people who have ended up doing exactly what is claimed. We can easily fooled. I had no idea someone close to me was doing the horrible things he was doing until a lot of people came forward and he finally had to admit it.

Often a case like this brings out others who went through the same thing.

Also, at least from what I read in the articles, I wonder if some things he reportedly said are being misconstrued. Maybe the discussion about suicide was a bad attempt at telling the athlete to talk to someone before throwing herself off a bridge. We are roughly the same age and I know a lot of men my age who really don't know how to talk about this sort of thing. Of course a college coach should have received more training in this area since suicide among athletes has been something the NCAA has been addressing lately. (The NCAA actually has very good information on this topic).

Hard to trust the cops to do anything either.