"The jihadist arms dealer told Turkish TV that he bought them from Ukrainian commanders . . . "
Do I need to read further than that? Or can I just start laughing at you now?
Seriously, have you ever heard of stuff like RFID, ICs, geo-fencing, SBAS, LAAS, GLONASS, satellites? Do you even know what an Uber is?
You watch entirely too much television.
You are an incredibly naive person. Not very "worldy" so to speak. I think that's how you make such emphatic broad generalizations (that often contradict other ones) and are so susceptible to propaganda. Your life experiences and perceptions are so limited that can't grasp how uninformed and ridiculous many of your bold predictions and characterizations are.
What's up with that ceccione - get "professional psychiatric help" for just asking "cold war warrior" a question in response to a comment? Lol.
If Ukraine's cities are being leveled & they're losing the war like you claim - wouldn't that be more reason for Ukraine to start launching missiles/bombs at Moscow & other Russian cities?
This proxy war between U.S. and Russia is extremely dangerous. No doubt U.S. and other N.A.T.O. nations have told President Z military aid will be offered only to defend Ukraine. Defend Ukraine would be defined as dropping munitions on Russian troops on Ukrainian soil. Ukraine has four choices and only four choices: 1) Unconditional surrender; 2) negotiated surrender, 3) continue to receive cash, medical supplies, munitions and weapons from N.A.T.O. nations and fight as N.A.T.O. tells Ukraine to fight; 4) Ukraine could double-cross N.A.T.O., bomb Moscow and take their chances. We know President Z has chosen #3. I have said for 1 1/2 year President Z needs to negotiate a surrender for the good of Ukraine.
Thanks for responding & discussing this logically.
On the both the unconstitutional & negotiate surrender - wouldn't President Z have go into exile allowing Russia to put in a puppet ruler? (I can't see how Putin would allow Z to remain in office). Also, does Z want to negotiate & talk peace with a war criminal?
On attacking Moscow - does Ukraine have the missile/drone capability to penetrate Putin's missile defense system set up around Moscow? If Ukraine can penetrate the system & inflict some serious damage on the city - what would likely be the response from the Kremlin? Would Russia do the unthinkable & actually retaliate with tactical nuclear weapons or is it more likely that retaliation would look like Russia striking Kiev with conventional weapons?
Or is Z just content on fighting this war out on Ukrainian soil for as long as he continues to get military aid & financial support from the West?
This proxy war between U.S. and Russia is extremely dangerous. No doubt U.S. and other N.A.T.O. nations have told President Z military aid will be offered only to defend Ukraine. Defend Ukraine would be defined as dropping munitions on Russian troops on Ukrainian soil. Ukraine has four choices and only four choices: 1) Unconditional surrender; 2) negotiated surrender, 3) continue to receive cash, medical supplies, munitions and weapons from N.A.T.O. nations and fight as N.A.T.O. tells Ukraine to fight; 4) Ukraine could double-cross N.A.T.O., bomb Moscow and take their chances. We know President Z has chosen #3. I have said for 1 1/2 year President Z needs to negotiate a surrender for the good of Ukraine.
Yeah, but you’re a f*cking moron, so no wonder nobody listens to your sh*tbrain opinion. A better option would be NATO telling Putin he has 48 hours to get every RussiNazi terrorist out of Ukraine or he’s going to start losing cities, starting with Moscow.
Russia needs to negotiate a surrender so they don’t end up begging North Korea for money. Russia is so incredibly f*cked and all you pro-Putin f*cktards are too damn stupid to realize it.
Wouldn't any attack on Russia by NATO require a "general consensus" by it's 31 member countries? Would the member nations be all on-board in attacking Russia not worried about a nuclear response from Russia?
I agree Putin needs to negotiate a surrender but he's a war criminal that Ukraine demands he faces a international tribunal. How likely is it that Putin negotiates a surrender & conveniently turns himself at the same time?
Meanwhile, videos of entire cities leveled by Russia. No cities in Russia have been leveled.
zero.
america and NATO are f**kin weak. A year and half later and Russia is b**ch slapping you Nazis into rubble. You are even a disgrace to internet trolling and propaganda.
Yeah, but you’re a f*cking moron, so no wonder nobody listens to your sh*tbrain opinion. A better option would be NATO telling Putin he has 48 hours to get every RussiNazi terrorist out of Ukraine or he’s going to start losing cities, starting with Moscow.
Russia needs to negotiate a surrender so they don’t end up begging North Korea for money. Russia is so incredibly f*cked and all you pro-Putin f*cktards are too damn stupid to realize it.
Russia, should pull all their troops immediately out of Ukraine and bomb Ukraine the way U.S. bombed Germany, WW2. WW2, U.S. filled the skies over Germany with B-17 bombers. Many B-17s were shot down but many got to their targets. Russia should bomb Ukraine for not having sense enough to surrender day one 1 1/2 year ago.
Putin doesn't want to destroy the country that he wants to incorporate into Russia. He primarily wants to remove President Z from office & de-militarize the country.
Sure, the allies bombed the snot out of Germany in WW2. Berlin was laid to rubble & it took decades to truly rebuild it back. I don't think Putin wants to see Kiev turn into another Berlin.
How this ends is anyone's guess. I'd to see both Ukraine & Russia laid to rumble because this conflict escalated into a major conflict involving tactical nukes.
Russia, should pull all their troops immediately out of Ukraine and bomb Ukraine the way U.S. bombed Germany, WW2. WW2, U.S. filled the skies over Germany with B-17 bombers. Many B-17s were shot down but many got to their targets. Russia should bomb Ukraine for not having sense enough to surrender day one 1 1/2 year ago.
Putin doesn't want to destroy the country that he wants to incorporate into Russia. He primarily wants to remove President Z from office & de-militarize the country.
Sure, the allies bombed the snot out of Germany in WW2. Berlin was laid to rubble & it took decades to truly rebuild it back. I don't think Putin wants to see Kiev turn into another Berlin.
How this ends is anyone's guess. I'd to see both Ukraine & Russia laid to rumble because this conflict escalated into a major conflict involving tactical nukes.
What evidence do you have proving incorporate?
Nobody here has proven he ever said this or that the SMO outlines this.
De-militarize and de-nazify is the stated purpose. Not a soul has ever produced evidence Putin said he wants Ukraine to become Russia.
Russia needs to cut the snake off the Nazi head in Kyiv. The Nazi problem will fester if it is not cut off and the world cannot tolerate a Nazi government. No dice for Russia.
Then, Putin will keep them in a large de-militarized pen (Western Ukraine), like Palestine, and the Ukraine Nazis inside can be given 4 hours of electricity, bombed at will, and murdered by snipers at-will, like Palestinians are. Nazis do not deserve better than Palestinians just because they are white.
They are white Nazis.
But it's absurd, the SMO goal. So the map below is likely what will happen. Russia doesn't want Western Ukraine. It's the Nazi den. Can they de-militarize and de-nazify it? Nope. Absolutely stupid and wasteful for Russia to attempt. They just need to torment Ukraine more then get the terms they want. Eastern Ukraine to Russia. That's it. Nazi Ukraine only cares about the agricultural land, not the people. Russia cares about both. As a humanitarian, I say let Russia have it. Done.
How it REALLY ends is... the greenback is weaker. america loses. That much is clear.
I'm cool with this map of Ukraine.
Don't care how long it takes, Russia will acquire all its lost territories from the Nazis in Kiev.
Well according to ethnicity, this is how Ukraine should be divided fairly
Putin doesn't want to destroy the country that he wants to incorporate into Russia. He primarily wants to remove President Z from office & de-militarize the country.
Sure, the allies bombed the snot out of Germany in WW2. Berlin was laid to rubble & it took decades to truly rebuild it back. I don't think Putin wants to see Kiev turn into another Berlin.
How this ends is anyone's guess. I'd to see both Ukraine & Russia laid to rumble because this conflict escalated into a major conflict involving tactical nukes.
Putin would prefer not to destroy Ukraine, but destroying Ukraine is a far better outcome for him than allowing Ukraine to regain its 1990 or even its 2020 borders. He needs somethng that can be portrayed as a "win" whatever the cost.
If Putin could bombard Kyiv to the extent that Berlin was bombed in WW2, he'd do so in a flash. He can't do so because he doesn't have sufficient air superiority and isn't going to achieve it in any plausible scenario going forward.
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Anyone who tells you they have any idea what happens once the aid gets to Ukraine is full of sh*t.
The aid is primarily in the form of weapons. When it gets to Ukraine it's used to kill Nazi Russians. It's not like we are just sending them plane-loads of cash. Money well spent.
I never quite thought of it this way. Of course, most security assistance occurs in peacetime, so one can MORE reasonably wonder how the material is being used, lost, moved, sold, etc. But when you're giving weapons to a country being mauled by Russia, your level of confidence that it's being used for the intended purpose probably goes up considerably.
I will say that I'm a little less confident than some of the posters that we have anywhere near-perfect intel on the disposition of the arms sent. Unless tracking systems have gotten a LOT better in just the last few years, it's still hard to keep track of large numbers of things, especially in a country where you have little or no footprint.
Having said all that, is it worth risking losing some fraction of our support to corruption or mismanagement or anything else in the interest of stopping Putin? Y-E-S.
Normally, I think that the phrase "proxy war" has considerable (if not complete) negative connotations. In this case, it's just great that the west is "getting away with it" (not unlike Stingers in Afghanistan in the 80s....). Is that hypocritical or inconsistent? Not when Putin did what he's done in Ukraine, it isn't. Again, the word is "great."
Putin doesn't want to destroy the country that he wants to incorporate into Russia. He primarily wants to remove President Z from office & de-militarize the country.
Sure, the allies bombed the snot out of Germany in WW2. Berlin was laid to rubble & it took decades to truly rebuild it back. I don't think Putin wants to see Kiev turn into another Berlin.
How this ends is anyone's guess. I'd to see both Ukraine & Russia laid to rumble because this conflict escalated into a major conflict involving tactical nukes.
Putin would prefer not to destroy Ukraine, but destroying Ukraine is a far better outcome for him than allowing Ukraine to regain its 1990 or even its 2020 borders. He needs somethng that can be portrayed as a "win" whatever the cost.
If Putin could bombard Kyiv to the extent that Berlin was bombed in WW2, he'd do so in a flash. He can't do so because he doesn't have sufficient air superiority and isn't going to achieve it in any plausible scenario going forward.
Putin already won. He set Nazi Ukraine down in a chair, tied them up, and b**ch slaps them whenever he wants. Usually after counting all the money he is making from increased trade with BRICS nations. He is doing whatever he wants, leveling entire Ukraine cities. NATO and Ukraine already lost. They'd need to start leveling Russian cities to be in the victory conversation and that ain't happening. Ukraine can't even protect itself. There is no way they are going to invade Russia and start leveling cities like Russia has.
Things to consider:
~ Will a Ukraine counteroffensive level any Russian cities? No
~ Will Ukraine pushing Russia out of Ukraine and Crimea be a "win"? Ukraine is beaten up really bad. Even if Russia voluntarily packed up and left right now, Ukraine is the loser.
~ If there is a truce and settled agreement, what will that look like? Is it even possible?
Russia is not de-nazifying or de-militarizing Ukraine. Russia's SMO is almost as ridiculous as Ukraine's Nazi government starting this war.
The US Public Broadcasting Service (PBS) published and promoted an interview with a renowned Neo-Nazi Ukrainian mayor. According to The National Pulse, they did not reveal the politician’s allegiances to Adolf Hitler and Ukra...
The aid is primarily in the form of weapons. When it gets to Ukraine it's used to kill Nazi Russians. It's not like we are just sending them plane-loads of cash. Money well spent.
I never quite thought of it this way. Of course, most security assistance occurs in peacetime, so one can MORE reasonably wonder how the material is being used, lost, moved, sold, etc. But when you're giving weapons to a country being mauled by Russia, your level of confidence that it's being used for the intended purpose probably goes up considerably.
I will say that I'm a little less confident than some of the posters that we have anywhere near-perfect intel on the disposition of the arms sent. Unless tracking systems have gotten a LOT better in just the last few years, it's still hard to keep track of large numbers of things, especially in a country where you have little or no footprint.
Having said all that, is it worth risking losing some fraction of our support to corruption or mismanagement or anything else in the interest of stopping Putin? Y-E-S.
Normally, I think that the phrase "proxy war" has considerable (if not complete) negative connotations. In this case, it's just great that the west is "getting away with it" (not unlike Stingers in Afghanistan in the 80s....). Is that hypocritical or inconsistent? Not when Putin did what he's done in Ukraine, it isn't. Again, the word is "great."
....I'm no historian, but any guesses about how perfectly clean "Lend-Lease" was to a guy named STALIN (who was fighting a guy named HITLER) in WWII ?
Dear Founding Brothers: Can you guys have some kind of counter that would, for example, ban a poster after they've posted the same Ukraine/Nazi flag a certain large number of times?
I mean, make it high - 100, whatever - and Ceccione would still be gone.
So you want to be Nazis but you've never invaded another country and you are getting beat up while being invaded for trying to be Nazis... so Faux Nazis then.
Who do you think Ukraine's Nazi government offends, besides Russia? Do you think this is appropriate in 2023?
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