Official Russia vs Ukraine War Thread

You are an incredibly naive person. Not very "worldy" so to speak. I think that's how you make such emphatic broad generalizations (that often contradict other ones) and are so susceptible to propaganda. Your life experiences and perceptions are so limited that can't grasp how uninformed and ridiculous many of your bold predictions and characterizations are.

All these techs require a signal or line of sight to satellites, towers, or readers. Line of sight can be disrupted easily. A child can do it.

Thanks for responding & discussing this logically.

On the both the unconstitutional & negotiate surrender - wouldn't President Z have go into exile allowing Russia to put in a puppet ruler? (I can't see how Putin would allow Z to remain in office). Also, does Z want to negotiate & talk peace with a war criminal?

On attacking Moscow - does Ukraine have the missile/drone capability to penetrate Putin's missile defense system set up around Moscow? If Ukraine can penetrate the system & inflict some serious damage on the city - what would likely be the response from the Kremlin? Would Russia do the unthinkable & actually retaliate with tactical nuclear weapons or is it more likely that retaliation would look like Russia striking Kiev with conventional weapons?

Or is Z just content on fighting this war out on Ukrainian soil for as long as he continues to get military aid & financial support from the West?

Wouldn't any attack on Russia by NATO require a "general consensus" by it's 31 member countries? Would the member nations be all on-board in attacking Russia not worried about a nuclear response from Russia?

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_49178.htm#:~:text=All%20NATO%20decisions%20are%20made,agreement%20reached%20by%20common%20consent.

I agree Putin needs to negotiate a surrender but he's a war criminal that Ukraine demands he faces a international tribunal. How likely is it that Putin negotiates a surrender & conveniently turns himself at the same time?

a Nazi pumping yt channel showing an explosion?

Meanwhile, videos of entire cities leveled by Russia. No cities in Russia have been leveled.

zero.

america and NATO are f**kin weak. A year and half later and Russia is b**ch slapping you Nazis into rubble. You are even a disgrace to internet trolling and propaganda.

How low is your Nazi IQ?

You know, the ones who started this war and who are now getting devastated by Russia.

jta.org

Owners of Ukrainian cafe housed in a former synagogue say logo resembling Nazi symbol was a 'font gone wrong' mistake - Jewish Telegraphic Agency

Cnaan Liphshiz

Cafe Escobar said it waded inadvertently into a political landmine by adding two lightning bolts symbolizing energy to promote its coffee.

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https://twitter.com/skadefron/status/1643355626943176709?s=20

Putin doesn't want to destroy the country that he wants to incorporate into Russia. He primarily wants to remove President Z from office & de-militarize the country.

Sure, the allies bombed the snot out of Germany in WW2. Berlin was laid to rubble & it took decades to truly rebuild it back. I don't think Putin wants to see Kiev turn into another Berlin.

How this ends is anyone's guess. I'd to see both Ukraine & Russia laid to rumble because this conflict escalated into a major conflict involving tactical nukes.

*I'd hate to...

What evidence do you have proving incorporate?

Nobody here has proven he ever said this or that the SMO outlines this.

De-militarize and de-nazify is the stated purpose. Not a soul has ever produced evidence Putin said he wants Ukraine to become Russia.

Russia needs to cut the snake off the Nazi head in Kyiv. The Nazi problem will fester if it is not cut off and the world cannot tolerate a Nazi government. No dice for Russia.

Then, Putin will keep them in a large de-militarized pen (Western Ukraine), like Palestine, and the Ukraine Nazis inside can be given 4 hours of electricity, bombed at will, and murdered by snipers at-will, like Palestinians are. Nazis do not deserve better than Palestinians just because they are white.

They are white Nazis.

But it's absurd, the SMO goal. So the map below is likely what will happen. Russia doesn't want Western Ukraine. It's the Nazi den. Can they de-militarize and de-nazify it? Nope. Absolutely stupid and wasteful for Russia to attempt. They just need to torment Ukraine more then get the terms they want. Eastern Ukraine to Russia. That's it. Nazi Ukraine only cares about the agricultural land, not the people. Russia cares about both. As a humanitarian, I say let Russia have it. Done.

How it REALLY ends is... the greenback is weaker. america loses. That much is clear.

Putin would prefer not to destroy Ukraine, but destroying Ukraine is a far better outcome for him than allowing Ukraine to regain its 1990 or even its 2020 borders. He needs somethng that can be portrayed as a "win" whatever the cost.

If Putin could bombard Kyiv to the extent that Berlin was bombed in WW2, he'd do so in a flash. He can't do so because he doesn't have sufficient air superiority and isn't going to achieve it in any plausible scenario going forward.

I never quite thought of it this way. Of course, most security assistance occurs in peacetime, so one can MORE reasonably wonder how the material is being used, lost, moved, sold, etc. But when you're giving weapons to a country being mauled by Russia, your level of confidence that it's being used for the intended purpose probably goes up considerably.

I will say that I'm a little less confident than some of the posters that we have anywhere near-perfect intel on the disposition of the arms sent. Unless tracking systems have gotten a LOT better in just the last few years, it's still hard to keep track of large numbers of things, especially in a country where you have little or no footprint.

Having said all that, is it worth risking losing some fraction of our support to corruption or mismanagement or anything else in the interest of stopping Putin? Y-E-S.

Normally, I think that the phrase "proxy war" has considerable (if not complete) negative connotations. In this case, it's just great that the west is "getting away with it" (not unlike Stingers in Afghanistan in the 80s....). Is that hypocritical or inconsistent? Not when Putin did what he's done in Ukraine, it isn't. Again, the word is "great."

If Ceccione and adolt were banned, this could be a decent thread.

Putin already won. He set Nazi Ukraine down in a chair, tied them up, and b**ch slaps them whenever he wants. Usually after counting all the money he is making from increased trade with BRICS nations. He is doing whatever he wants, leveling entire Ukraine cities. NATO and Ukraine already lost. They'd need to start leveling Russian cities to be in the victory conversation and that ain't happening. Ukraine can't even protect itself. There is no way they are going to invade Russia and start leveling cities like Russia has.

Things to consider:

~ Will a Ukraine counteroffensive level any Russian cities? No

~ Will Ukraine pushing Russia out of Ukraine and Crimea be a "win"? Ukraine is beaten up really bad. Even if Russia voluntarily packed up and left right now, Ukraine is the loser.

~ If there is a truce and settled agreement, what will that look like? Is it even possible?

Russia is not de-nazifying or de-militarizing Ukraine. Russia's SMO is almost as ridiculous as Ukraine's Nazi government starting this war.

timesofisrael.com

Congress members call out Ukraine government for glorifying Nazis

In bipartisan letter, 50 US lawmakers condemn new legislation, slam government-backed events hailing Nazi-allied militias

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independentsentinel.com

PBS Interviewed Ukrainian Mayor and Covered up His Neo-Nazi Ties

M Dowling

The US Public Broadcasting Service (PBS) published and promoted an interview with a renowned Neo-Nazi Ukrainian mayor. According to The National Pulse, they did not reveal the politician’s allegiances to Adolf Hitler and Ukra...

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....I'm no historian, but any guesses about how perfectly clean "Lend-Lease" was to a guy named STALIN (who was fighting a guy named HITLER) in WWII ?

What's up with Ukraine's government using Nazi Germany swastikas on its flag? Asking for victimized people around the world:

Dear Founding Brothers: Can you guys have some kind of counter that would, for example, ban a poster after they've posted the same Ukraine/Nazi flag a certain large number of times?

I mean, make it high - 100, whatever - and Ceccione would still be gone.

Thank you for your consideration.

So you want to be Nazis but you've never invaded another country and you are getting beat up while being invaded for trying to be Nazis... so Faux Nazis then.

Who do you think Ukraine's Nazi government offends, besides Russia? Do you think this is appropriate in 2023?

newsweek.com

NATO Says It Didn't Notice Ukraine Soldier's Apparent Nazi Symbol in Tweet

https://www.facebook.com/ShaolinTomReporter

"The post was removed when we realised it contained a symbol that we could not verify as official," a NATO official told Newsweek.

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nbcnews.com

German TV Shows Nazi Symbols on Helmets of Ukraine Soldiers

NBCNews

In a ZDF report on the fragile cease-fire in eastern Ukraine, images were shown of soldiers wearing combat helmets with SS insignia and swastikas.

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global-politics.eu

Nazi Collaborator Greeting Becomes Official Ukraine Army Salute

Global Politics

Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the Heroes!. These words and this greeting will become Armed Forces of Ukraine official military greeting [...]

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US debt to GDP ratio is 121.7%.

Russia's? 14.9%