In less than a few hours, Russia has gone from denying that Ukraine has broken through their lines to admitting that RU has retreated because of UA's counter attacks. That is kind of the fun of Prigozhin being unhinged in Bakhmut. He is actually telling the truth about UA's advances because he is pissed that he is not getting what he needs and that MOD forces are happy to ditch and leave Wagner hanging on the battlefield.
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Precious Roy wrote:
In less than a few hours, Russia has gone from denying that Ukraine has broken through their lines to admitting that RU has retreated because of UA's counter attacks. That is kind of the fun of Prigozhin being unhinged in Bakhmut. He is actually telling the truth about UA's advances because he is pissed that he is not getting what he needs and that MOD forces are happy to ditch and leave Wagner hanging on the battlefield.
I have sat this thread out for awhile. Too much Nazi debating for my taste.
The battlefield moving 100K back and forth is not relevant.
A. U.S. and the rest N.A.T.O. have decided they will risk WW3 to ensure Russia does not capture the entirety of Ukraine.
B. Unless Ukraine/N.A.T.O./U.S. capture Moscow, China will not allow Russia to lose. Please note: Ukraine/N.A.T.O./U.S. will not capture Moscow.
C. This will continue for at most 10 years so at most another 8 plus years. In 8 plus years, U.S. will give up helping Ukraine. Of course, Ukraine can run out of fighting age men before 8 plus years.
D. Ten years is about all U.S. tax payers will tolerate. C.I.A. & S.F. in SE Asia from late 1950's to 1965. From 1965 to 1975, Marines and Army regulars, SE Asia. Late 2001 to late 2021, at a lower death rate, U.S. in Afghanistan.
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Cold War Warrior16 wrote:
Precious Roy wrote:
In less than a few hours, Russia has gone from denying that Ukraine has broken through their lines to admitting that RU has retreated because of UA's counter attacks. That is kind of the fun of Prigozhin being unhinged in Bakhmut. He is actually telling the truth about UA's advances because he is pissed that he is not getting what he needs and that MOD forces are happy to ditch and leave Wagner hanging on the battlefield.
I have sat this thread out for awhile. Too much Nazi debating for my taste.
The battlefield moving 100K back and forth is not relevant.
A. U.S. and the rest N.A.T.O. have decided they will risk WW3 to ensure Russia does not capture the entirety of Ukraine.
B. Unless Ukraine/N.A.T.O./U.S. capture Moscow, China will not allow Russia to lose. Please note: Ukraine/N.A.T.O./U.S. will not capture Moscow.
C. This will continue for at most 10 years so at most another 8 plus years. In 8 plus years, U.S. will give up helping Ukraine. Of course, Ukraine can run out of fighting age men before 8 plus years.
D. Ten years is about all U.S. tax payers will tolerate. C.I.A. & S.F. in SE Asia from late 1950's to 1965. From 1965 to 1975, Marines and Army regulars, SE Asia. Late 2001 to late 2021, at a lower death rate, U.S. in Afghanistan.
this is complicated
China wants a weakened RU, unable to sell energy to the West. Because that makes China the main customer for RU energy, so China can hammer RU on price and get a great deal. So for economic reasons, Russia losing the war and staying weak is a-ok for China.
Militarily, the calculus is different. China does not want NATO/US to win anything. China wants NATO involved, but focused on Europe, not looking too hard at Asia. Although it's a balance. China knows that if Japan, SK and others feel the US does not care about them, they would militarize (and probably go nuclear in a heartbeat) and China definitely does not want that.
So what is the best deal for China? Honestly I think China will go for the economics and let RU lose, so China can be Putin's boss and keep oil prices low. China knows the US and NATO are not threats to China, but China's lack of oil IS a threat.
The wildcard is some weird wing of RU getting control of RU nukes and rumbling around borders, including the China border. Stability is what China wants. China does not want Putin to disappear. Complicated for China.
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Mick Joggerrr wrote:
I have been keeping a list of how many times each side of this conflict has accused the other of being Nazi's in this thread.
As it stands that count is at 639,343.
I have a feeling when this number reaches 700,000 the posters on this message board might finally recognize that this war has absolutely nothing to do with "Nazis" and accusing the other side of being "Nazis" is not really effective. We will see.
There is absolutely nothing posted on this thread that is effective in any way whatsoever.
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agip wrote:
Cold War Warrior16 wrote:
I have sat this thread out for awhile. Too much Nazi debating for my taste.
The battlefield moving 100K back and forth is not relevant.
A. U.S. and the rest N.A.T.O. have decided they will risk WW3 to ensure Russia does not capture the entirety of Ukraine.
B. Unless Ukraine/N.A.T.O./U.S. capture Moscow, China will not allow Russia to lose. Please note: Ukraine/N.A.T.O./U.S. will not capture Moscow.
C. This will continue for at most 10 years so at most another 8 plus years. In 8 plus years, U.S. will give up helping Ukraine. Of course, Ukraine can run out of fighting age men before 8 plus years.
D. Ten years is about all U.S. tax payers will tolerate. C.I.A. & S.F. in SE Asia from late 1950's to 1965. From 1965 to 1975, Marines and Army regulars, SE Asia. Late 2001 to late 2021, at a lower death rate, U.S. in Afghanistan.
this is complicated
China wants a weakened RU, unable to sell energy to the West. Because that makes China the main customer for RU energy, so China can hammer RU on price and get a great deal. So for economic reasons, Russia losing the war and staying weak is a-ok for China.
Militarily, the calculus is different. China does not want NATO/US to win anything. China wants NATO involved, but focused on Europe, not looking too hard at Asia. Although it's a balance. China knows that if Japan, SK and others feel the US does not care about them, they would militarize (and probably go nuclear in a heartbeat) and China definitely does not want that.
So what is the best deal for China? Honestly I think China will go for the economics and let RU lose, so China can be Putin's boss and keep oil prices low. China knows the US and NATO are not threats to China, but China's lack of oil IS a threat.
The wildcard is some weird wing of RU getting control of RU nukes and rumbling around borders, including the China border. Stability is what China wants. China does not want Putin to disappear. Complicated for China.
Well, we agree China will not allow Russia to lose. Does China have a 100 or so year goal of ruling Eurasia? Most likely. Obviously if China sees themselves as ruling Eurasia, that means China will have to rule Russia. China's possible 100 year goal of ruling Eurasia, IMO does not mean China is/was against Russia supplying fuel to nearly all of Europe. I also disagree with you regarding China and N.A.T.O. See my comments regarding China possibly ruling Eurasia.
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Cold War Warrior16 wrote:
agip wrote:
this is complicated
China wants a weakened RU, unable to sell energy to the West. Because that makes China the main customer for RU energy, so China can hammer RU on price and get a great deal. So for economic reasons, Russia losing the war and staying weak is a-ok for China.
Militarily, the calculus is different. China does not want NATO/US to win anything. China wants NATO involved, but focused on Europe, not looking too hard at Asia. Although it's a balance. China knows that if Japan, SK and others feel the US does not care about them, they would militarize (and probably go nuclear in a heartbeat) and China definitely does not want that.
So what is the best deal for China? Honestly I think China will go for the economics and let RU lose, so China can be Putin's boss and keep oil prices low. China knows the US and NATO are not threats to China, but China's lack of oil IS a threat.
The wildcard is some weird wing of RU getting control of RU nukes and rumbling around borders, including the China border. Stability is what China wants. China does not want Putin to disappear. Complicated for China.
Well, we agree China will not allow Russia to lose. Does China have a 100 or so year goal of ruling Eurasia? Most likely. Obviously if China sees themselves as ruling Eurasia, that means China will have to rule Russia. China's possible 100 year goal of ruling Eurasia, IMO does not mean China is/was against Russia supplying fuel to nearly all of Europe. I also disagree with you regarding China and N.A.T.O. See my comments regarding China possibly ruling Eurasia.
China doesn't want to literally rule Russia. That's way too hard. China is not an imperial nation. Doesn't work that way.
China wants to make Russia its resource colony, a place to get cheap raw materials. And ally in the security council, sure.
So if RU is weakened and can't sell oil to Europe, that's just dandy for China. A win. But that can all fall apart if Putin falls out a window. So China will butress Putin, but doesn't care about UKR, per se. Not clear if Putin can lose the war and stay in office. We're about to find out. China will help him, no doubt.
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Real Obvi wrote:
Mick Joggerrr wrote:
I have been keeping a list of how many times each side of this conflict has accused the other of being Nazi's in this thread.
As it stands that count is at 639,343.
I have a feeling when this number reaches 700,000 the posters on this message board might finally recognize that this war has absolutely nothing to do with "Nazis" and accusing the other side of being "Nazis" is not really effective. We will see.
There is absolutely nothing posted on this thread that is effective in any way whatsoever.
heh
Roy's posts are outstanding, for the record.
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agip wrote:
Real Obvi wrote:
There is absolutely nothing posted on this thread that is effective in any way whatsoever.
heh
Roy's posts are outstanding, for the record.
Yeah. Agreed on Roy's posts.
I also like the guy who posts videos from the Ukrainian pilot giving detailed updates on the changes on the front lines.
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Colin Bombo Harris wrote:
Newname wrote:
This is a proxy war the neocons who run America are prosecuting to weaken Russia in their campaign to rule the world. Nuland and the others who helped overthrow the pro Russia elected govt of Urkaine in 2014 are not "Nazis". They are agents of Goldman Sachs et al who did not want to tolerate a Ukraine that was not accepting that austerity program that thy have shoved down so many nations throats. They want to remove Putin who has not been sufficiently servile to them. They installed the drunken puppet Yeltsin in the 90s which allowed them to rob the Russian people blind and would like to do it again. They have no problems working with the Azov Nazis as these Nazis don't target Jews but do target other groups.
Despite the disclaimer expressing zero tolerance for Nazism and the admission of a substantial link between Ukraine and Nazism, Prof. Fishman gives a free pass to the Ukrainian brand of Nazism.
“There are neo-Nazis in Ukraine, just as there are in the U.S., and in Russia for that matter,” Prof.Fishman concluded. “But they are a very marginal group with no political influence and who don’t attack Jews or Jewish institutions in Ukraine.”You tell him, Carmines! This was never about Nazis. It's about Goldman Sachsterists trying to rule the world via austerity programs.
You can't handle the truth
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Newname wrote:
Colin Bombo Harris wrote:
You tell him, Carmines! This was never about Nazis. It's about Goldman Sachsterists trying to rule the world via austerity programs.
You can't handle the truth
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The RussoNazis are truly a disgusting bunch of scum.
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Newname wrote:
Colin Bombo Harris wrote:
You tell him, Carmines! This was never about Nazis. It's about Goldman Sachsterists trying to rule the world via austerity programs.
You can't handle the truth
Truth: You’re a mutherf*cking moron.
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Precious Roy wrote:
In less than a few hours, Russia has gone from denying that Ukraine has broken through their lines to admitting that RU has retreated because of UA's counter attacks. That is kind of the fun of Prigozhin being unhinged in Bakhmut. He is actually telling the truth about UA's advances because he is pissed that he is not getting what he needs and that MOD forces are happy to ditch and leave Wagner hanging on the battlefield.
It is worse than that. Russian are fleeing Crimea. The bridges back to Mother Russia are impassable. Packed with cars and people trying to escape. Putin Secret: Russian believe Putin will execute a nuclear incident at the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Plant.
"Why Russians are fleeing Crimea across the Kerch Bridge"
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Putin The Nazi War Criminal wrote:
Newname wrote:
You can't handle the truth
Truth: You’re a mutherf*cking moron.
He is not that advanced.
"According to IQ classifications: Idiots have an IQ level between 0 and 25 with a mental age of 2. Morons have an IQ between 51 and 70 and a mental age between 8 - 12 years.
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Newname wrote:
Colin Bombo Harris wrote:
You tell him, Carmines! This was never about Nazis. It's about Goldman Sachsterists trying to rule the world via austerity programs.
You can't handle the truth
Turn around, bright eyes.
A total eclipse of the moran.
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Precious Roy wrote:
In less than a few hours, Russia has gone from denying that Ukraine has broken through their lines to admitting that RU has retreated because of UA's counter attacks. That is kind of the fun of Prigozhin being unhinged in Bakhmut. He is actually telling the truth about UA's advances because he is pissed that he is not getting what he needs and that MOD forces are happy to ditch and leave Wagner hanging on the battlefield.
No counter attack.
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Clayton Morris? Why would anybody listen to this discredited f*cking idiot? Remember when he said the Kherson counteroffensive was a failure? I do. A few days later the RussoNazis fled Kherson like a bunch of f*cking p*ssies.
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Putin The Nazi War Criminal wrote:
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Clayton Morris? Why would anybody listen to this discredited f*cking idiot? Remember when he said the Kherson counteroffensive was a failure? I do. A few days later the RussoNazis fled Kherson like a bunch of f*cking p*ssies.
AP News and NPR lying too?
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