Why do people think Jim Ryun was so great?

ventolin^3 wrote:

clueless

what part of "terrible" don't you comprehend ???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkTPCspfwCI

[quote]He ran twice and said after the race that he had "the feeling of having all this tremendous strength"

after a 1st lap where he didn't have the strength to crack 53

is this getting into your numbskull ???

/quote]

Look old man, you don't run a 53 sec 1st lap due to being ill and having no strength to run any faster, then all of a sudden recover from your "illness" mid race and then have the strength to run a 51 and bits 2nd lap.

LOL.

Jim Ryun's 1:44.9 880 yard WR equates to faster than 1:44.3 800 meters.

Follow my logic........if you can:

1. Peter Snell was credited with 1962 WR's of 1:44.3 (800 meters) and 1:45.1 (880 yards) in the SAME race.

2. Ryun's 800 meter time (if timed) would have resulted in a 1:44.1 800 meters....not a 1:44.3.

3. For the umpteenth time - the Terre Haute, IN track of 1966 was a Grasstex track - that is a synthetic track.

The fact that Grasstex got surplanted by Tartan (a more rubberized synthetic track) doesn't mean Grasstex isn't a synthetic surface.

4. I am incredibly drunk right now.

Thank you. This is directed specifically to Vento & DeanUK.

ventolin^3 wrote:

authorities wouda started to test him lot more

same as kazankina got banned after '84, it's damn interesting coe coudn't break 1'43 after '81, when by early/mid-'80s they started testing at euro meets

Your memory is fading old man. Kazankina was banned for refusing to take a test, not for testing positive.

Coe was already being tested out of competition in 81 by the BAAB. He never refused a test and never tested positive, so any comparison to Kazankina is moot.

Strangely I don't recall Ryun ever having been drug tested. Oh, that's right, they didn't have any testing then. They only came into force at the 1968 Olympics, just after Ryun's peak era!

A reliable test for anabolic steroids din't emerge until 1974, and they weren't added to the prohibitive list by the IOC until 1976.

So Ryun competed in an era when not only was there no testing, but steroids weren't even illegal.

Coe ran equivalent of sub 1:43 in LA with extra distance run taken out and anyone who can run 1:43.3 as an old man of 33 in 89 was certainly capable of sub 1:43 in 82, 84 & 86. You should know better than anyone, coming from your fantasy land, that athletes rarely run as fast as they're capable in any given season, due to a variety of reasons.

Ryun never broke 1:44 once, let alone 1:43, even though he did run the distance on synthetic, yet you claim that meant he could really run 1:40.

Coe runs 1:43.07 in an off year, yet you claim he couldn't break 1:43 after 81.

Talk about twisted logic.

eh ???

this is cringeworthy

kid

your way out of your depth

it's a protozoa NOT a rapidly mutating virus

i'm embarassed to read such rubbish

rubbish

he'd run a 1'44.9 on dirt mid-june

he'd run a fast 1'43.8 on 28th but then came back to get walloped by some unknown croat in 3'36

strong pointing to a poorly sourced blood transfusion & acquiring an infection ( protozoal ??!!?! )

some quack

he'd have had a shot after his clindamycin

no doc tells a wr/og calibre : "no exercise for 3/12" unless it's broken bones or cancer

that is nonsense advice

stop wasting the board's time

it's embarassing how stoopidly you are are out of your depth

as per any patient who fails to comply with course of Rx

if he didn't or went back to possible "original sources of infection" he was a fool

1'43+ for rest of career shows he "learnt"

to even presume to have a clue on this topic & post this drivel is just about most ridiculous self-aggrandizement i've seen on these boards

codger wrote:

Jim Ryun's 1:44.9 880 yard WR equates to faster than 1:44.3 800 meters.

Follow my logic........if you can:

1. Peter Snell was credited with 1962 WR's of 1:44.3 (800 meters) and 1:45.1 (880 yards) in the SAME race.

2. Ryun's 800 meter time (if timed) would have resulted in a 1:44.1 800 meters....not a 1:44.3.

.

Oh yes, I know full well that Ryun's run was equivalent to a 1:44.3, but that wasn't the point I was making with old Venty!

He stated that Ryun's time was ratified as the WR. It wasn't. The IAAF never ratified it as such, because there was no time taken at 800m.

The difference with Snell is that they had an official timekeeper taking a time at 800 and 880yds. Thus both were ratified.

Interestingly, Snell's last 220 was 28.2, so he was really slowing down at the end. The usual conversion from 800 to 880 is 0.6, (not 0.8) but it isn't inconceivable that Snell ran those last 4 and a half metres in 0.8, as he was "dying on his feet".

Deanouk wrote:Look old man, you don't run a 53 sec 1st lap due to being ill and having no strength to run any faster, then all of a sudden recover from your "illness" mid race and then have the strength to run a 51 and bits 2nd lap

eh ???

what part of this vid can't you get into your numbskull ???

no

all he's entitled to is 1'44.3

the time was not submitted for 800m wr, let alone getting 880y because of bureacracy

iaaf have accepted it in lists for years, meaning by implication he can ask them to instate it

nonsense

it was a semi-synthetic consisting of a mulch of dirt/tyre-shreds

a synthetic track has no disperse of surface

it was not implemented as "fast" but as easy drainage, meaning no waterlogged KU where likes of ryun ran 3'55.8/46.9r

it was easy-drainage/low-maintenance - it's selling point

NOT speed

it disappeared soon as non-disperse tracks came available at reasonable cost

discerned from post

learn to read

i said banned

i didn't say why

learn

nonsense

worthless testing

to be meaningful, it had to be random, out of competition & sometimes 3 or 4 times/week & sent to another country for analysis

none of which happened

complete nonsense testing

it picked up NO significant gb athlete

either ALL gb athletes clean in '80s or WORTHLESS testing

rubbish

see above

sure

he bombed 800 trials as wr holder on drugs ???

sure

he got walloped by keino who musta been on "epo" as most similar, hunter-gatherers of your ilk assume...

like i posted

strange how ryun coudn't crack 2'02 in trials in an event he wouda won by proverbial mile, even if 1/2 fit in mexico

he got some sh!tty drugs ???

lucky those african 1500 - M guys got better drugs ???

no

he didn't have "speed" to run fast enough on 1st lap

it wasn't fast, but at least some serious testing

he had lost his 400 speed

wonder why ???

i believe steroids give speed from universal/anecdotal sources...

no

ole era of blood-doping - transfusions

it's same again today in recent cycling

looks like a guy who was too scared to risk toxoplasmosis again until twilight...

coe coudn't even crack 1'43 after '81

it's embarassing indictment of career

pathetic argument against non-doping

ehh ???

not in '67 prime

he ran a 2'02 when last in '68 trials

he clawed back in 1500

easily

think more into 1'39s

he already had 45-speed in '67

no he got hammered by another guy in an "off year"

eh ???

apart from hammering by cruz above, he didn't

he didn't come close except with his 1'43.3

have to give him credit for thrashings by

ereng & then kirochi & still turn up for a 1500...

he didn't

frankly, runt buried in the pack until kick offered no "majesty"

Coe rhymes with EPO........

UK drug testing in early 80s was random and out of competition, and there were athletes caught.

Ryun had no longevity and couldn't win a single gold despite 3 attempts. Didn't have the temperament or the killer instinct when it mattered. Hid behind the mono excuse for rest of career.

Coe got 2 Olympic golds. Did it it when it mattered.

who ???

that "drug-testing" was just nonsense

nonsense

he was a 17y ole kid in '64 just trying to get experience - no one in their right mind expected him to challenge snell, the outstanding mile wr holder or jazy the next wr holder, but who coudn't double & went for 5k

he won silver in '68, a helluva long way ahead of the next guy

he was far from his peak after illness, but still by far the outstanding silver medalist

he was unlucky keino ran a great race - a race he wasn't even really interested in running & likely woudn't have if he'd got gold in the event he had been targeting - the 5k - that's from the horse's mouth

in '72 he was a shadow of himself having been beaten by guys like liquori in previous year - a guy who woudn't have been fit to lace his boots in his prime & he basically set up wottle for a 800wr in trials but faded - stated as 11.6 burst in middle of last lap, ran fastest mile of the year in '72 & unluckily got tripped by an unknown guy in heats - he wouda likely won at worst silver in the 1500 but probably not gold over that doped finn

rubbish

he kept running when just a shadow of himself from '67 onwards - that takes immense guts

may have even retired if he'd got his gold in '68, but his perseverence was outstanding

in 2 boycott games - obviously not his fault

devalued golds with some top guys missing/ill, but again he did what he had to

ryun's games were all non-boycott with all the best guys there

codger wrote:

Jim Ryun's 1:44.9 880 yard WR equates to faster than 1:44.3 800 meters.

Follow my logic........if you can:

3. For the umpteenth time - the Terre Haute, IN track of 1966 was a Grasstex track - that is a synthetic track.

The fact that Grasstex got surplanted by Tartan (a more rubberized synthetic track) doesn't mean Grasstex isn't a synthetic surface.

Thank you. This is directed specifically to Vento & DeanUK.

Grasstex was crap. It was essentially just asphalt, hard as sh*t, offered no real advantage to the athlete, just easy maintenance. Anyone that believes otherwise is a fool. I ran on grasstex many times and it in no way compared to the modern day synthetics.

I know Jim Ryun as a former Congressman who wanted to scrap the Constitution, overthrow the government and turn it into a theocracy, much like they have in Iran. I guess that lends credence to the old saying that people will remember you for the last thing you do. So sad.

Get a Clue wrote:

codger wrote:

Jim Ryun's 1:44.9 880 yard WR equates to faster than 1:44.3 800 meters.

Follow my logic........if you can:

3. For the umpteenth time - the Terre Haute, IN track of 1966 was a Grasstex track - that is a synthetic track.

The fact that Grasstex got surplanted by Tartan (a more rubberized synthetic track) doesn't mean Grasstex isn't a synthetic surface.

Thank you. This is directed specifically to Vento & DeanUK.

Grasstex was crap. It was essentially just asphalt, hard as sh*t, offered no real advantage to the athlete, just easy maintenance. Anyone that believes otherwise is a fool. I ran on grasstex many times and it in no way compared to the modern day synthetics.

Wrong Ventolin!

Moron Level over 100k.