BYU's Davies dismissed for sex

You're an idiot or a troll.

Shane-fontaine wrote:

Premarital sex is rarely responsible

I apologize if I came across as high and mighty, that was not my intent. I was simply trying to state that I, along with many Mormons, am a decent person. Now as for the rest of your ridiculous rant, whats with the muscle flexing? Not a single thing you said was on topic concerning this thread. Take your weak attempts at slams back to your trolls lair and next time you come back, maybe contribute to the thread?

Plain and simple, it's because Davies (slave) had sex with a white (master's wife/daughter) woman. If he had been railing some hoodrat in SLC, nobody at BYU would give a damn.

4runner wrote:

ehhhh wrote:

Not sure, but haven't unbiased statistics shown that Mormons divorce rate is just about the same as the rest of America?

And like the rest of America they should let their parents choose their spouses...

I can't believe no one has called you out on this... let parents choose spouses? Really? That's ridiculous.

Ex-Bear: 'I violated just about everything that was forbidden' at BYU

BYU suspended Kozlowski in 1982 after a standout freshman season

With news that BYU suspended Brandon Davies for violating its honor code, we called an authority on the topic, former Bear Glen Kozlowski. BYU suspended him in the spring of 1982.

"I had violated just about everything that was forbidden," Kozlowski told us. Teammate Jim McMahon also was suspended.

Kozlowski said he considered transferring but started dating a fellow BYU student and decided to serve his punishment and reapplied to the school a year later. "We got married the next year. … We have four sons and have been married for 29 years."

As for the Davies suspension: "He knew the rules," Kozlowski said. "Whether you agree with them or not you have to abide by them because you sign a pledge when you enroll."

So what if Davies likes men. God created gays in her own image.

The Mormon apologists stating that people of the LDS faith just want to live a moral life centered on the family make me laugh.

Try living in a Mormon community in Utah! Prepare to be ostracized for something as simple as buying a 6-pack of beer at the grocery store. I was fortunate enough to grow up in the Midwest, but my girlfriend grew up here. As she says, "They put evil in the water." And when referring to Mormonism, "Cult" is a more apt description than "Religion." The LDS "Faith" was started by a nutjob criminal cult-of-personality who was run out of every town he tried to settle in with his dipshit followers.

Wow so much hate, and so much false information. I see no references to 80% of the things said about Mormons because they are NOT true. Seriously people try and come up with something better to do with your life then spending hours slamming a Church that is trying to do something good in the world. Even if it may seem weird, if you research this Church its pretty normal. It would probably help if you went to legitimate websites that have accurate information.

Throw me some links. I'm always interested. The Church is more interested in proselytizing than "doing good." Don't kid yourself.

hahah wrote:

Wow so much hate, and so much false information. I see no references to 80% of the things said about Mormons because they are NOT true. Seriously people try and come up with something better to do with your life then spending hours slamming a Church that is trying to do something good in the world. Even if it may seem weird, if you research this Church its pretty normal. It would probably help if you went to legitimate websites that have accurate information.

NORMAL!!!!!!

Compared to what?

TK1451 wrote:

Everyone who attends BYU knows what they're getting into beforehand. If you want to rock long hair, don't go to Liberty. If you want to choose your outfit every day, don't go to West Point. If you want to bang chicks, don't go to BYU. Pretty simple. No, I don't agree with their code of conduct. But there are plenty of students who are willing to abide by it, and if you're not one of those students it's not the place for you.

In my opinion, the BYU Honor Code encourages lying. You put 34,000 college aged kids together in a boring town, there's bound to be a lot of sex. How many of these 34,000 students are breaking this code in some way or another and then lying about it to stay in school or avoid disciplinary action? Where's the honor in that?

Bob Jones University banned interracial dating until the year 2000. Do you think that was ok, because "they knew what they were getting into beforehand"?

Just because you have no honor does not mean the rest of the world has no honor.

That would be your opinion... you don't go to BYU. So thanks for your uneducated opinion.

R4SHOT what is your problem with the Church, you especially seem to be extremely upset by the Church? Are you a former member, or just someone that hates? The Church has given over a billion dollars plus thousands of volunteer hours. The Church tries to help others, what is wrong with that? Anyone that tries to help others is trying to follow Christ, do you hate Christ too?

Here are a couple of links as you requested. Since there is so much misinformation going on about the LDS church, you might as well go straight to the church's websites to see what they say they believe.

www.mormon.org

www.lds.org

The video on Rob Morris who played football at BYU and for the Colts at the

www.mormon.org

site was interesting.

I was an athlete and All-American at BYU and my own experience was that the vast majority of students and athletes at BYU live the honor code, I lived in 3 or 4 different apartments over the 4 years of my schooling and I don't think I had one roommate in that time that wasn't living the code. At BYU it isn't that hard to abide the honor code because pretty much everybody else has similar values regarding not drinking, smoking, doing drugs or having premarital sex. That is not to say that there isn't a lot of social interaction and dating going on, it's just that most BYU students don't take it any further than kissing.

There was an article in USA Today today stating that 27% of men and 29% of women age 15-24 in America say they have never had a sexual encounter, up from only 22% back in 2002. So it's not just the Mormons that are realizing there are positive consequences to living a chaste life.

I also take exception with anyone who says the LDS faith in any way discounts women. Nothing is further than the truth. The LDS church has one of the largest women's organizations on the planet. Women are taught at an early age the value of education and that they are a precious child of God and are valued for their intellect, spirit and internal beauty, unlike America media and many letsrun posters who continually objectify women. Many women choose to stay at home to help raise the family because Mormons believe that no other success can compensate for failure in the home, I married a well educated LDS woman with a PhD who put her career on hold when we started our family, not because I wanted her to, but because she wanted to be there for the kids.

Finally, I would say if you want to know what goes on in the LDS religion, what we are like and what we believe, take a three hour block out of your life and go to church some Sunday. Any interest we have in proselyting you comes from the fact that most Mormons are happy with their life and think others would benefit from the same lifestyle. If a Mormon wants to share with you their beliefs, take it as a compliment.

Why is everyone trashing Mormons and BYU? This is not the lifestyle I would choose but no one forces you to be a Mormon or go to BYU. Its a choice you make and if you do, you abide by the Code. I was recruited by BYU and I threw out the materials when I read you could not drink caffeine. But if I chose to go I would respect the Code and not drink caffeine. What the hell is the big deal?

hahah wrote:

Are you a former member, or just someone that hates?

There are other possibilities, you know. It's possible to be a critic without being either a former Mormon or a hater.

The "live and let live" credo people insist is woven into Mormon doctrine hardly seems evident in their campaign against Prop 8, which was nothing more than putting money behind vicious meddling. And there have been many documented abuses of kids by church members reaching to the level of involvement by idiot state congresspeople like Chris Buttars. The horror stories hardly tell the story of what a "typical" Mormon is like -- in my experience they are bright, cheerful, successful, and at some generally harmless level deluded -- but that doesn't justify writing them off.

Rather than just go the the LDS' own home page for info, try something from a former Mormon apologist:

Write it off as bitter hysteria or take it at face value.

As far as the original topic, it's a no-brainer. Guy signed the Honor Code, violated it by his own admission, and is off the team. He's not complaining, why should anyone else?

People are bashing MORONism becuase it HURTS SO MANY PEOPLE!

If you are not mormon but your child is, you will NOT be able to go to their wedding becuase you are not WORTHY enough. JESUS ATE WITH THE TAXPAYERS AND THE PROSTITUTES. WHY WOULD HE WANT PEOPLE TO BE EXCLUDED FROM FAMILY WEDDINGS!?

They seen soooo nice but when they realize they can't convert you, they ignore you and you are "evil".

DONT go to their official websites. Their answers are sugar coated. "Milk before Meat" is what they tell their missionaries...f***ed up in my opinion.

If you want cold, hard facts, go to

www.exmormon.com

. People who were mormons will tell you EVERYTHING you need to know without beating around the bush and lying about its horrid history.

^^^ I think you meant this website. dot org, not dot com.

People are leavign this cult at a fast rate. Ever since the advent of the internet, people have realized the oppression that comes along with this cult.