Trollception wrote:
How do you know the exact time the GPS tracking froze? Did you just happen to notice it at that time? Is there a screen shot or objective data we can send to media?
Go look at the tracking, as of now it still shows the time it stopped.
Oinker wrote:
I think this is where the thread should stop. Come on guys its been 2 months. Just let the cyclist bike across America. I know he said he would run but due to problems I guess he cant. At least he gets to see the scenary and it makes him happy. That is truly what matters. So it didnt go as planned in the beginning but he's still going to go across Our Country. Drop Your Restraints. Just let it go.
You're probably right, we should probably follow the advice from the movie Frozen and "Let it go, let it go, let it go."
Many people, myself included, have said some very unflattering things about Darren. His wife, daughter, and other family members don't need to be reading all that. I just wish he would be up front and admit that he bit off more than he could chew, and that they are driving part of the way. It will be a lot harder on him if and when he gets caught red-handed.
Among the many things I've learned over the years is that if you dug yourself into a hole, the first thing you do is put down the shovel. Quit digging, it will only get worse.
Cmon dude wrote:
Oinker wrote:I think this is where the thread should stop. Come on guys its been 2 months. Just let the cyclist bike across America. I know he said he would run but due to problems I guess he cant. At least he gets to see the scenary and it makes him happy. That is truly what matters. So it didnt go as planned in the beginning but he's still going to go across Our Country. Drop Your Restraints. Just let it go.
You're probably right, we should probably follow the advice from the movie Frozen and "Let it go, let it go, let it go."
Many people, myself included, have said some very unflattering things about Darren. His wife, daughter, and other family members don't need to be reading all that. I just wish he would be up front and admit that he bit off more than he could chew, and that they are driving part of the way. It will be a lot harder on him if and when he gets caught red-handed.
Among the many things I've learned over the years is that if you dug yourself into a hole, the first thing you do is put down the shovel. Quit digging, it will only get worse.
You have valid points. He is ending in NY right? Im sure there will be a crowd waiting there for him and they will be surprised when they see him coming in on a bike. Or he might just jog the last couple of miles so the crowd believes.
I don't think there will be any crowd just for Darren. He'll probably time it to connect with one of the morning shows or something similar since he's a publicity hound. He'll have a live audience but not probably not people coming out only for him. Maybe his wife and kid, who I agree, should be off limits.
Cmon dude wrote:
Go look at the tracking, as of now it still shows the time it stopped.
I can't get time stamps on any of the check points (arrows) or anywhere else along the path. I see the total duration at the top of the screen and of course the long straight line where the tracker suddenly came back online but that's it.
I read the first page of this thread at the time and until today haven't looked at it, in a heroic effort I read it all today so can be said to have nothing invested in it. The points that stand out are:
The misleading claims about running that I believe are still prominently on the RV.
The evasiveness about the route and puzzling randomness of some of the choices.
The very curious choice of type of bikes.
The lack of conventional GPS Garmin data (odd given the status of Garmin as an alleged sponsor) and hence total absence of verifiability.
The belated method of tracking with its frequent outages and mysterious battery display issues.
Why so much publicity sought over such a mundane journey with so many rest stops and other interruptions?
The bogus nature of the social media presence - in particular the followers.
The slavish true believers.
The staged videos.
Most of the above points applied exactly the same to Rob Young except that he did engage with people trying to verify what he was doing - which was a failed gamble ultimately.
Cmon dude wrote:
I am going to show a few stats that I posted earlier this week. Feel free to go back and look at them.
Posted on Tuesday 6/20 at 3:58 pm central time
83.22 miles in 6 hrs 9 min 54 sec, 13.50 mph
Posted on Wed 6/21 at 6:30 pm central time
69.81 miles in 4 hrs 49 min 34 sec, 14.46 mph
Posted on Thur 6/22 at 10:03 pm central time
74.67 miles in 6 hrs 18 min 22 sec, 11.84
The rest of this I'm going to spell out very clearly, so simple that even a lawyer like Darren will be able to grasp it.
Today (Fri 6/23) at 9:51 am central time I posted that they left at 9:06 central time. At 10:38 am central time I posted some splits, and also noted that day's starting position of 83:30:07 and 988.67 miles.
At 10:52 am central time I noted that they had an hour where they averaged 17.1 mph.
At 12:08 pm central time I posted that the contact with the GPS tracking had been lost. I also noted that the GPS stats were frozen at 91:46:23 and 1025.9 miles. I also noted that the stats at the time GPS was lost was 37.2 miles in 2 hrs 16 min and 16 sec, which is an average of 16.4 mph.
Since they started at 9:06 am central time and the GPS froze 2 hrs 16 min later, that means that it was 11:22 am central time when contact was lost.
At 2:29 pm central time / 3:29 eastern time Darren tweeted that they traveled 90 miles. Now let's do the math.
GPS froze when they had traveled 37.2 miles
3 hrs and 7 min later Darren claims that they went 90 miles, or 52.8 additional miles after the GPS froze.
52.8 miles in 3 hr 7 min = 16.94 mph, and that is after averaging 16.4 for the first 37.2 miles.
Now let us recap:
Tue 6/20 83.22 miles at 13.50 mph
Wed 6/21 69.81 miles at 14.46 mph
Thur 6/22 74.67 miles at 11.84 mph
Fri 6/23 90 miles in 5 hrs 23 min = 16.7 mph
Suddenly when the GPS goes out they can go 90 miles at 16.7 mph????? I am also assuming when Darren tweeted (2:29 central, 3:29 eastern) that he did so immediately after they finished.
Bullsh**. I call bullsh**. Darren, you are a lying sack of sh**. That did not happen.
To those who questioned me earlier and thought that I might be a troll, I can assure you that I am not. Everything that I have posted, including the calls to the stores, is factual. I find letsrun can be a very useful tool to keep up and follow the sport of running, and it can also can be very entertaining. With the Internet it is nice to be able to follow track and cross country so closely as opposed to the early and mid 70's when I competed. I did pretty good back then (4:10.8 mile, D3), and my son was even better, especially at the longer stuff. Running has been a constant thread in my life, and it is maddening to see cheating dopers, or scammers like this event we are all following.
That's a great story, but there is nothing damning in those stats.
Trollception wrote:
Cmon dude wrote:Go look at the tracking, as of now it still shows the time it stopped.
I can't get time stamps on any of the check points (arrows) or anywhere else along the path. I see the total duration at the top of the screen and of course the long straight line where the tracker suddenly came back online but that's it.
I am unaware of how to get times stamps along the route. When the GPS is active I will periodically watch and record on paper the movement with the duration, distance, and even altitude if it is relevant such as up or down hill runs. I have not taken any screen shots of the data.
Cmon dude wrote:
Trollception wrote:I can't get time stamps on any of the check points (arrows) or anywhere else along the path. I see the total duration at the top of the screen and of course the long straight line where the tracker suddenly came back online but that's it.
I am unaware of how to get times stamps along the route. When the GPS is active I will periodically watch and record on paper the movement with the duration, distance, and even altitude if it is relevant such as up or down hill runs. I have not taken any screen shots of the data.
If you want to be taken seriously, you need screen shots, video proof, or names of people you talk with. You have provided no credible info.
Most likely you're a troll.
A Realist wrote:
Cmon dude wrote:I am going to show a few stats that I posted earlier this week. Feel free to go back and look at them.
Posted on Tuesday 6/20 at 3:58 pm central time
83.22 miles in 6 hrs 9 min 54 sec, 13.50 mph
Posted on Wed 6/21 at 6:30 pm central time
69.81 miles in 4 hrs 49 min 34 sec, 14.46 mph
Posted on Thur 6/22 at 10:03 pm central time
74.67 miles in 6 hrs 18 min 22 sec, 11.84
The rest of this I'm going to spell out very clearly, so simple that even a lawyer like Darren will be able to grasp it.
Today (Fri 6/23) at 9:51 am central time I posted that they left at 9:06 central time. At 10:38 am central time I posted some splits, and also noted that day's starting position of 83:30:07 and 988.67 miles.
At 10:52 am central time I noted that they had an hour where they averaged 17.1 mph.
At 12:08 pm central time I posted that the contact with the GPS tracking had been lost. I also noted that the GPS stats were frozen at 91:46:23 and 1025.9 miles. I also noted that the stats at the time GPS was lost was 37.2 miles in 2 hrs 16 min and 16 sec, which is an average of 16.4 mph.
Since they started at 9:06 am central time and the GPS froze 2 hrs 16 min later, that means that it was 11:22 am central time when contact was lost.
At 2:29 pm central time / 3:29 eastern time Darren tweeted that they traveled 90 miles. Now let's do the math.
GPS froze when they had traveled 37.2 miles
3 hrs and 7 min later Darren claims that they went 90 miles, or 52.8 additional miles after the GPS froze.
52.8 miles in 3 hr 7 min = 16.94 mph, and that is after averaging 16.4 for the first 37.2 miles.
Now let us recap:
Tue 6/20 83.22 miles at 13.50 mph
Wed 6/21 69.81 miles at 14.46 mph
Thur 6/22 74.67 miles at 11.84 mph
Fri 6/23 90 miles in 5 hrs 23 min = 16.7 mph
Suddenly when the GPS goes out they can go 90 miles at 16.7 mph????? I am also assuming when Darren tweeted (2:29 central, 3:29 eastern) that he did so immediately after they finished.
Bullsh**. I call bullsh**. Darren, you are a lying sack of sh**. That did not happen.
To those who questioned me earlier and thought that I might be a troll, I can assure you that I am not. Everything that I have posted, including the calls to the stores, is factual. I find letsrun can be a very useful tool to keep up and follow the sport of running, and it can also can be very entertaining. With the Internet it is nice to be able to follow track and cross country so closely as opposed to the early and mid 70's when I competed. I did pretty good back then (4:10.8 mile, D3), and my son was even better, especially at the longer stuff. Running has been a constant thread in my life, and it is maddening to see cheating dopers, or scammers like this event we are all following.
That's a great story, but there is nothing damning in those stats.
I can guarantee that any average speed above 15mph contains some element or elements of cheating. They are incapable on those bikes of riding above this speed as an average. Trust me or ask anyone that knows about biking.
I've also watched the tracker live and noted the odd speeds, but I also don't have screenshots either. Doesn't mean we are trolls.
Cyclust wrote:
I've also watched the tracker live and noted the odd speeds, but I also don't have screenshots either. Doesn't mean we are trolls.
You probably complain to RDs when you GPS registers more than the race distance. Google 'GPS accuracy.'
Cmon dude wrote:
Among the many things I've learned over the years is that if you dug yourself into a hole, the first thing you do is put down the shovel. Quit digging, it will only get worse.
This is commonly called, "The first law of holes". And what is the second law of holes?
I'm not quite sure, but I bet Darren and his boi toy have been researching while they ride in the RV.
I have always wondered whether this law applies to mining.
It depends on how deep the shaft will go.
GPS Expert wrote:
Cyclust wrote:I've also watched the tracker live and noted the odd speeds, but I also don't have screenshots either. Doesn't mean we are trolls.
You probably complain to RDs when you GPS registers more than the race distance. Google 'GPS accuracy.'
This isn't fractions of a mile we are dealing with here. It's much bigger.
I'm sure Kavinoky will be happy to provide data from his sponsored Garmin Forerunner 235 to back up his running and biking claims as well as providing live video like he says he would. Surely he would have been doing that on the very first day of this run where he says he got injured to document his "historic" journey.
Porker wrote:
It depends on how deep the shaft will go.
Deep. Very, very deep.
Come fourth and get a toaster wrote:
Porker wrote:It depends on how deep the shaft will go.
Deep. Very, very deep.
You're probably right.
http://i.imgur.com/y9Kmn7f.pngThe mods hate that picture. They have a bot set up so it doesn't hotlink. Here's another version that might escape the long arm of the brojos.
GPS Expert wrote:
Cyclust wrote:I've also watched the tracker live and noted the odd speeds, but I also don't have screenshots either. Doesn't mean we are trolls.
You probably complain to RDs when you GPS registers more than the race distance. Google 'GPS accuracy.'
Do you really think they are riding in the RV at 10mph. That seems extremely unlikely when there is no incentive.
Occam's Razor and all.
