You simply show your naivety here - and that you are poorly informed. The evidence of widespread drug use is longstanding.
On the shoes there is nothing that confirms they work better for inferior runners.
So what? You can't just automatically assume that everyone is doping. Just because drug tests are week does not mean that the athletes are doing it. There needs to be more evidence.
While it has not exactly been "confirmed" by your definition, there is a lot of evidence that supports it, and none that suggests the opposite. I can explain this more if you want me to even though I already did in the other post, because you continue to say the same things over and over again.
I'm not sure why but my response to your comment is "under moderator review" when I said I don't assume everyone is doping but that in a sport with a high prevalence of doping no athlete can be assumed to be clean. They may not be.
99% of athletes run faster in the spikes but little Katelyn did not and you say we should base all conclusions on your one runner? Interesting. Maybe she was doing other things to get fast at an early age.
Go ahead and show your work so we can review. Or did you pull it out of your a$
Everyone who's realistic knows the shoes are taking 4-7s off elite 1500 times.
Hahahaha that explains why elite 1500s are being won in 3:21-3:24 these days.
Thanks for your input.
4-7 seconds is aggressive but it’s interesting that the Olympic 1500 record of 3:32 that was set in 2000 wasn’t broken until Jakob ran 3:28.5 in 2021 and then THREE guys ran 3:27 in 2024. And multiple under 3:30 in that race. And it’s just the sheer depth of people doing it at every level now, including high school.
I’m going to trust a former, New Zealand Olympic medalist who went on the record and said the shoes in 2021 were worth 2.5 seconds after testing them out. This is easily refuted. All everyone has to do is go back to the old shoes and see if they can run the same times that they are capable of in the super spikes. But nobody wants to test that hypothesis. Wonder why?
(And I personally don’t think any 3:26s or 3:27s of the EPO era are legit).
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Hahahaha that explains why elite 1500s are being won in 3:21-3:24 these days.
Thanks for your input.
4-7 seconds is aggressive but it’s interesting that the Olympic 1500 record of 3:32 that was set in 2000 wasn’t broken until Jakob ran 3:28.5 in 2021 and then THREE guys ran 3:27 in 2024. And multiple under 3:30 in that race. And it’s just the sheer depth of people doing it at every level now, including high school.
I’m going to trust a former, New Zealand Olympic medalist who went on the record and said the shoes in 2021 were worth 2.5 seconds after testing them out. This is easily refuted. All everyone has to do is go back to the old shoes and see if they can run the same times that they are capable of in the super spikes. But nobody wants to test that hypothesis. Wonder why?
(And I personally don’t think any 3:26s or 3:27s of the EPO era are legit).
Nick Willis declared that the spikes are worth 2.5 seconds 5 years ago. The debate is over!
From 2021-2025, five people broke 3:28. In 2014 alone, 13 different guys would have broken 3:28 had they been wearing super spikes (assuming your ridiculous 2.5 second conversion).
Let me guess, they were all doping but everyone is clean now right? Lol.
4-7 seconds is aggressive but it’s interesting that the Olympic 1500 record of 3:32 that was set in 2000 wasn’t broken until Jakob ran 3:28.5 in 2021 and then THREE guys ran 3:27 in 2024. And multiple under 3:30 in that race. And it’s just the sheer depth of people doing it at every level now, including high school.
I’m going to trust a former, New Zealand Olympic medalist who went on the record and said the shoes in 2021 were worth 2.5 seconds after testing them out. This is easily refuted. All everyone has to do is go back to the old shoes and see if they can run the same times that they are capable of in the super spikes. But nobody wants to test that hypothesis. Wonder why?
(And I personally don’t think any 3:26s or 3:27s of the EPO era are legit).
Nick Willis declared that the spikes are worth 2.5 seconds 5 years ago. The debate is over!
From 2021-2025, five people broke 3:28. In 2014 alone, 13 different guys would have broken 3:28 had they been wearing super spikes (assuming your ridiculous 2.5 second conversion).
Let me guess, they were all doping but everyone is clean now right? Lol.
I merely gave one anecdote. Look at every distance, excluding the EPO era, the improvement and, more importantly, sheer depth of fast times at every level. Especially the marathon over the past 5-7 years. Speaking of *ridiculous*.
As I said, very easy to disprove. But nobody will take the risk. Certainly you won’t? Lol.
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Hahahaha that explains why elite 1500s are being won in 3:21-3:24 these days.
Thanks for your input.
4-7 seconds is aggressive but it’s interesting that the Olympic 1500 record of 3:32 that was set in 2000 wasn’t broken until Jakob ran 3:28.5 in 2021 and then THREE guys ran 3:27 in 2024. And multiple under 3:30 in that race. And it’s just the sheer depth of people doing it at every level now, including high school.
I’m going to trust a former, New Zealand Olympic medalist who went on the record and said the shoes in 2021 were worth 2.5 seconds after testing them out. This is easily refuted. All everyone has to do is go back to the old shoes and see if they can run the same times that they are capable of in the super spikes. But nobody wants to test that hypothesis. Wonder why?
(And I personally don’t think any 3:26s or 3:27s of the EPO era are legit).
El Guerrouj’s 3:27.65 from 1999, is still the WC record, so what’s your point? Yeah, Willis’s N=1, 1200m by feel, isn’t worth much.
The reason an elite doesn’t want to compare shoes is that he doesn’t want to find out in a DL race that, in fact, the old shoes are slower. A “taste great, less filling” debate on LR is not his problem.
4-7 seconds is aggressive but it’s interesting that the Olympic 1500 record of 3:32 that was set in 2000 wasn’t broken until Jakob ran 3:28.5 in 2021 and then THREE guys ran 3:27 in 2024. And multiple under 3:30 in that race. And it’s just the sheer depth of people doing it at every level now, including high school.
I’m going to trust a former, New Zealand Olympic medalist who went on the record and said the shoes in 2021 were worth 2.5 seconds after testing them out. This is easily refuted. All everyone has to do is go back to the old shoes and see if they can run the same times that they are capable of in the super spikes. But nobody wants to test that hypothesis. Wonder why?
(And I personally don’t think any 3:26s or 3:27s of the EPO era are legit).
El Guerrouj’s 3:27.65 from 1999, is still the WC record, so what’s your point? Yeah, Willis’s N=1, 1200m by feel, isn’t worth much.
The reason an elite doesn’t want to compare shoes is that he doesn’t want to find out in a DL race that, in fact, the old shoes are slower. A “taste great, less filling” debate on LR is not his problem.
Because the old shoes ARE slower.
El G competed during a very questionable era. Not a great example, and I already mentioned this.
Nick Willis declared that the spikes are worth 2.5 seconds 5 years ago. The debate is over!
From 2021-2025, five people broke 3:28. In 2014 alone, 13 different guys would have broken 3:28 had they been wearing super spikes (assuming your ridiculous 2.5 second conversion).
Let me guess, they were all doping but everyone is clean now right? Lol.
I merely gave one anecdote. Look at every distance, excluding the EPO era, the improvement and, more importantly, sheer depth of fast times at every level. Especially the marathon over the past 5-7 years. Speaking of *ridiculous*.
As I said, very easy to disprove. But nobody will take the risk. Certainly you won’t? Lol.
I’m asking you specifically about men’s 1500m running because you agree with Nick that the spikes are worth 2.5 seconds. Every single year from 2010 - 2018 has at least 2 guys under 3:28 when we apply your 2.5 second conversion. Why is the event so much weaker in the last 5 years?
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