All that we know for sure is that Lagat will break the record very soon and Steve Scott and dozens of letsrunners will get to sound off about the injustice of it, and dozens of others will get to rejoice in their misery.
There's something for everyone.
webby wrote:
All that we know for sure is that Lagat will break the record very soon...
Just like people knew "for sure" that Radcliffe was going to take home a medal from Athens, right?
Is that right? What part of "Meb" was difficult for you to understand?[/quote]
Meb was raised in America, and was brought up in the American distance (clean) programs...he was not coached by a cardiologist from Italy who was banned from cycling...Meb is good, but couldn't fit into Frank (GOLD) Shorter's jock strap.
spacer wrote:Meb is good, but couldn't fit into Frank (GOLD) Shorter's jock strap.Is that why he's called Shorter?
mist wrote:
His conversion is accurately in the 3:30's.
I've never argued with that. I'm just glad you're converting to the 1500 and not the f***ing high jump as before to have this discussion.
mist wrote:
That 1500 time has only been ran by 30 people or less in the HISTORY of the deep event.
And the equivalent mile time as been run faster by only 10 people. WHICH EVENT SEEMS DEEPER TO YOU?
I am skeptical wrote:Just like people knew "for sure" that Radcliffe was going to take home a medal from Athens, right?
You need to take that up with someone who said it. I said that Lagat will beat Scott's AR time soon, which is correct.
If we agree to pretend that Scott's time is worth even a 3:30 (which of course he never actually did for some resaon, but let's leave that alone)
I never, nor do I believe anyone else has argued that the mile all-time list is deeper than the 1500 list. What you did say was that:
Scott's record is so soft that it deserves to be broken and held by a talented runner.
Anything to say about how embarrassingly soft and deserving of breakage Scott's record is?
Scott's AR is soft.
What's important is that the actual value of his AR is not nearly world elite, and arguably not even world class. I'd like to think that ARs should be better than top-50 all time, and I think that performances outside of this are soft.
Damn right. Lagat will smash that joke record by over three seconds this season.
If we agree to pretend that Scott's time is worth even a 3:30 (which of course he never actually did for some resaon, but let's leave that alone
Good he's worthless than and proved he never really gave a shit about the Red white and blue. He just wanted to run in an Olympic games and didn't give a shit what country he ran for.
foreign and american doesn't sound the same or does it when you have to get citizenship to be a american.
steve scott has boundries when he runs for the home flag.he is flat out fast on the track and i'd give him a pat on the back for being my role model.
well lets not put too much fuss on running.we come and go and lets try to get past this.
so steve you keep your head up.i'am still running today to finish my dreams as a american.
webby wrote:
I said that Lagat will beat Scott's AR time soon, which is correct.
OK, Miss Cleo...good luck with that. Of course, I'm rather certain that you're one of those alleged experts who would still consider it to be "soon" if it was done in 2009, just as long as you're right.
Lagat is not a lock to break that record, and I agree with Scott 100%. I hope that Webb breaks it first, and that it remains just barely out of Kip's reach for the rest of his career.
Nice use of copy-and-paste. Saves me the trouble of typing any more about how soft this record is. It may be one of the oldest, but it's also going to get the sickest smashing if Lagat ever actually chooses to run it properly (i.e. paced, going for time (:44, easily), not just to beat Webb).
Do you really think Lagat can run that fast without El-Guerrouj in the race?
"My opinion of Steve went down"
I hear this all the time on thsi forum...but honestly....I don't think anyone cares. Your opinion isn't really that important in the first place, if you're ona running forum.
webby wrote:
spacer wrote:Meb is good, but couldn't fit into Frank (GOLD) Shorter's jock strap.Is that why he's called Shorter?
Shorter and Meb - TWO americans who were both born outside the US!
One is considered a REAL american by people on this board. One....well maybe....
How VERY ironic....
BL is swimming upstream all the way on this one. I wish him the best of luck.
Based on SS's criteria, "...born and raised in the US..."
This would disqualify atheltes in a number of sports
Shorter - born in Germany
Salazar - born in Cuba
Kobe - spent +8 years in Italy in his teens.
Nope! These people are NOT true americans in SS's book.
What does a "national record" mean these days?
Perhaps the very notion will soon be considered overly nationalistic - even xenophobic!
Luigi Vercotti wrote:
What does a "national record" mean these days?
Perhaps the very notion will soon be considered overly nationalistic - even xenophobic!
That will be a sad day.
By the way, a national record is the record for fastest time run by a citizen of a given country. Just thought I'd clear that up for you.
Mtn Dew wrote:
That will be a sad day.
I agree it will be a sad day indeed.
But with a shrinking world and with athletes everywhere changing citizenship, the "national record" idea doesn't mean what it once did.
And don't you know that if a Jamaican-born athlete rewrote the Icelandic long jump record, while a white American took over the pole vault record in Burkina Faso, if somebody dared to discuss the new records in a skeptical context, they'd be considered a racist or a xenophobe.
I know a guy that changed citizenship from one country to the next just to be able to make the international champs. It's sad.
This is America. Quit bitching. Either you sink or you swim.