Michael Gardner wrote:
I say let them compete, but, only as their sex at birth. Only thing that makes any sense. If a trans dude happens to be competitive, even with the implants, put it in the men’s race.
So you think Female to Male transgender athletes should compete as women?
Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:
[quote]Michael Gardner wrote:
I say let them compete, but, only as their sex at birth. Only thing that makes any sense. If a trans dude happens to be competitive, even with the implants, put it in the men’s race.
Already happened. See
https://www.npr.org/2012/05/24/153589689/transgender-athlete-competes-for-olympic-spot.
Now when he can get a TUE for testerone it will be game over.
Lucy. wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Yeah, states have the descretion to make their own rules, but few people transgender in HS. The largest state, California, generally allows self-identifying but there aren't any such athletes here. Posters frequently cite the Connecticut sprinters, but there are no other examples. A one-off is meaningless and no scholarships were lost.
I don’t get your argument. Your position is that it will rarely happen so who cares? The HS sprinters in Connecticut happened. The girls competing against them cared.
It rarely happens that someone rides a bike to cut a marathon course. Should we just accept that result because it rarely happens or “no one would do that?”
Like it or not, one case with minimal negative effect is not going to move the needle. It's going to take lost scholarships and pro contracts to justify legal challenges.
The Connecticut lawsuit is a stunt. Soule is allowing herself to be used as a pawn by a hate group. If I was her father, I wouldn't her take that role as future potential employees will see the story and maybe decide she isn't a good fit for their offices. Their would be others that would hire her, but it's not logical to cut her employment opportunities by over one half.
There are very few direct responses to my comments. One poster made the prediction that it was only a matter of time before a self-identifying runner won Boston but me pointing out that the rules do not allow that, was ignored. Most responses just refer to Biden's evil EO.
Its an abomination. And Biden's an idiot for wading into a realm with which he has no expertise. Course he has no specific expertise in anything.
How easy to manipulate the T test to have it below the required level on the day of the test.
This whole thread is ridiculous. No one is going to transition for the purpose of sports.
used to run in college wrote:
This whole thread is ridiculous. No one is going to transition for the purpose of sports.
Having transferred they may want to continue with sports or take such sports as they will be quite good.
The process will be to show up on day one and say that you are going out for team. Most people would be willing to do that for $200k.
Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:
Michael Gardner wrote:
I say let them compete, but, only as their sex at birth. Only thing that makes any sense. If a trans dude happens to be competitive, even with the implants, put it in the men’s race.
So you think Female to Male transgender athletes should compete as women?
As long as they don't take testosterone, which would be against the rules anyways, yes.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Like it or not, one case with minimal negative effect is not going to move the needle. It's going to take lost scholarships and pro contracts to justify legal challenges.
+1
Running craze wrote:
The process will be to show up on day one and say that you are going out for team. Most people would be willing to do that for $200k.
Let me know when a single person gets money by doing this. What coach is going to want an athlete that isn't eligible to compete.
Running craze wrote:
The process will be to show up on day one and say that you are going out for team. Most people would be willing to do that for $200k.
Where might that $200K come from? No one has a money printing machine.
logwithin wrote:
Honest question to others as well.
Is it good enough that there is hormonal treatment, testosterone monitoring, and # of years regarding declaration of gender? Or is this still an unfair impact to women?
A wise coach once said that is was silly to have a separate race for people based on internal plumbing. Given that they do have a separate race for females, it is nothing short of ludicrous that transgender males compete against natural born females. 14 year old girls etc should not have to compete against naturally stronger faster males regardless of window dressing etc. It's not fair to the people born as girls and defeats the point of the category in the first place: to have fair competition.
Tatar wrote:
xxxx wrote:
The sad truth is that the women that will lose the most from this are talented black female athletes.
The three women who won medals at the 2016 Olympic 800m were Semenya, Niyonsaba and Wambui - three black women from Africa. The three women who stood to benefit from their exclusion were two Europeans and a Canadian.
I can think of several black athletes in track and in other sports who have had their woman-ness questioned because of the way they look. I can't think of any comparable examples of white women.
Jamila Kratochvilova and Marita Koch would be two examples. Had those three medalist 800m runners named not competed, their places would very likely have been filled by talented black female athletes so the assertion has merit.
The Connecticut case is not a stunt to the girls it effected. Just because you don’t like who is backing the case doesn’t mean it isn’t valid.
If you were the father your message to your daughter is don’t stand up for what is right because it might be uncomfortable. It is better to just blend in and do nothing of consequence. Might as well tell your gay son to stay in the closet because it will be easier as well.
I still don’t understand the whole move the needle position. Cutting marathon courses on bikes isn’t very common. When it does happen it is ok to condemn it and correct the results though. We don’t just say no big deal, it rarely happens, let’s let is stand.
BBC has an education vid for Primary kids stating that there are 100 genders and introducing the concept of gender queer.
Do you think the woke left will care about women’s sport?
The battles are being lost and not far from the war being lost.
unit flick wrote:
BBC has an education vid for Primary kids stating that there are 100 genders and introducing the concept of gender queer.
Do you think the woke left will care about women’s sport?
The battles are being lost and not far from the war being lost.
Just out of interest, how did you come across an under 10s video on BBC? Do you have children of this age? Or did a large media organization or personality point it out?
I'm always amazed how you guys let yourself get mad at things other people have told you about rather than using your own eyes.
Tatar wrote:
unit flick wrote:
BBC has an education vid for Primary kids stating that there are 100 genders and introducing the concept of gender queer.
Do you think the woke left will care about women’s sport?
The battles are being lost and not far from the war being lost.
Just out of interest, how did you come across an under 10s video on BBC? Do you have children of this age? Or did a large media organization or personality point it out?
I'm always amazed how you guys let yourself get mad at things other people have told you about rather than using your own eyes.
BBC covered it and it is part of a woke patten being repeated.
I am not mad at it; just pointing out that it is becoming mainstream.
Lucy. wrote:
The Connecticut case is not a stunt to the girls it effected. Just because you don’t like who is backing the case doesn’t mean it isn’t valid.
If you were the father your message to your daughter is don’t stand up for what is right because it might be uncomfortable. It is better to just blend in and do nothing of consequence. Might as well tell your gay son to stay in the closet because it will be easier as well.
I still don’t understand the whole move the needle position. Cutting marathon courses on bikes isn’t very common. When it does happen it is ok to condemn it and correct the results though. We don’t just say no big deal, it rarely happens, let’s let is stand.
Connecticut made the decision that it would follow the court decision many years ago that not letting transgender females compete would be a violation of their human rights and believed it was impractical to require a HS kid to receive hormone treatment. It was their right to make that decision. That there was 2 transgender athletes in Connecticut, was an extreme outlier. Why would Connecticut make rules that could be challenged to prevent a situation that had such a minimal chance of occurring? Yeah, it did end up happening, but probably never again in a relatively small state. California has the same rules and a far larger population, but it hasn't been an issue here.
The lawsuit is a joke. Soule did not lose a scholarship; just a chance to run a heat at the Tri-States. Maybe that's a big deal to you but it won't be to a judge. Her recent video was ridiculous and no serious plaintiff would make one like that. It gives the strong impression that she really enjoys having become a mini-celebrity and no judge is going to see it and have sympathy for her. She is not standing up to something uncomfortable; she seems to be enjoying it instead. The damage to Soule just wasn't that significant; she wasn't a top sprinter, there was nothing she could do about it and she should have just moved on.
Coming out as a gay in HS, just wasn't an option when I was in HS, and if one did so, he would suffered awful harassment and maybe even violence. According to my HS daughter, people are now generally indifferent to someone being openly gay, but the reaction to someone transgendering would be similar to '70s reaction to a gay student. As a father, I wouldn't worry about son being bullied if he was gay but I would really want him to wait until college to transgender.
I don't know why you're using Meza as an example. In regard to the Connecticut sprinters there were no rules to enforce. Meza did break the rules and was disqualified and then banned at CIM and although the L.A. Marathon knew Meza was a cheater, it let him continue to cheat. It's an absolute tragedy what happened to him. After CIM, he should have been banned permanently from running in any sizable marathon, instead of being allowed to cheat until he became a target for LR. It's sad that the resulting intense public humiliation ultimately drove him to suicide.
OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
Its an abomination. And Biden's an idiot for wading into a realm with which he has no expertise. Course he has no specific expertise in anything.
Where as I disagree with his stance on the issue, I think you are confusing him for the previous president. Everything Biden has done and will do is carefully calculated and planned. Sorry that the last 4 years had led you to believe that President's just "wade" into things.