BYU's Davies dismissed for sex

Is anyone arguing that they don't have the RIGHT to enforce their own rules? Is anyone saying that private religious universities should be BANNED from drafting and enforcing their own honor code? Of course not.

People object to BYU's honor code because parts of it are ridiculous and draconian.

Why would he turn himself in? He deserves to be kicked off the team. If not for breaking the honor code then for not keeping his mouth shut-up. What a brain washed culture, if he actually feels like he did something wrong and so horrible that he had to confess like an adulterer.

He should have taken his guilt like a man and lived with it. What's done is done. Instead he can feel like he did the "right" thing by confessing and partaking in the weird Christian ritual of confession, which results in a false transference of guilt but doesn't actually fix or chang anything.

I grew up in Utah and had plenty of friends with this same mentality: they could do whatever they wanted so long as confessed to their bishop about it later. Because of practices like this, religion can actually weaken morals.

They found out about his sex life like most other people find out. It's called pregnancy.

Why would anyone go to Notre Dame, BYU, Loyola, Liberty or others?

Every student at BYU knows that their standards are very strict and enforced. No hypocrisy. Just lunacy for ever matriculating into such an environment.

All religions are a huge joke. Enough said

BYU is very inexpensive for mormons becuase it is subsidized by the church. So its a little bit of a compromise: You get to go to one of the better universities in the country for less money then most state schools and in return BYU requires you to follow a strict honor code.

Its funny how no one can actually believe that the honor code is generally followed on BYU. Yes, some people do not, and some people get away with it, but its laughable that the school is demissing one of their best basketball players as a conspiracy to converert more people. One look at this message board and its clear that its not working. The simplest anwer is usually the best.

No one is forced to attend BYU, and no one is forced to be a mormon. Why so much hate? Unless you are a BYU fan, and its pretty clear most of you are not, how does the guy's dimssmisal affect you at all?

ummm whats that? wrote:

Now its on espn that his violation was having premarital sex.

Really BYU?

WOW! It is amazing how comfortable all of the bigots feel expressing themselves so freely, very few of which actual KNOW or associate with a member of the Mormon church. I dare any of you to meet me in public and then have anything bad to say about me after. Mormons are generally good people, who try their best to make the world a better place. (please refer to how much the Church donates to foreign aid/all the principles taught by them) Mormons hold the concept of FAMILY sacred. We believe that most of the problems in our society stem from broken homes/families. So a concept such as with-staining from premarital sex isn't too hard to figure out when you factor in: abortion, kids being raised with no fathers, kids being raised by someone who might not be mature enough or ready to give them a proper upbringing. Members of the LDS faith are in fact human, and do make mistakes, just like 100% of all those commenting on this thread. Davies violated a rule that is not only fundamental to the Mormon Church, but also should be considered fundamental to society. Premarital sex is rarely responsible and can have some very serious and unfortunate effects on a young man or women looking to get life off to a good start. Byu is an institution that tries to convert boys and girls into Men and Women of utmost character and integrity. They should be commended and respected for the role they play in accomplishing this.

-BYU COACH

Thank you for this post. I'm glad there are some people out there, like you, who are respectful.

I, being a member of the Mormon Church, do not even understand some of things pertaining to our religion. It will be a life long process to learn and grow and truly understand this gospel. What I do know is that it makes me happy. It keeps my family together and strong. From abstaining from alcohol, drugs, smoking, and addictive substances, it keeps me safe from physical and emotional harm. The way I live is what I believe to be the best way to live my life.

I'm sorry if not everyone can understand that. But please, have some respect.

Look, I'll be the first to admit that I don't know much about Mormons, but it's my understanding that they believe the New Testament.

Here's a quote from John 8: "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus "Teacher this woman was caught in the act of adultery ... What do you say?" ... When they kept on questioning him he straightened up and said to them "If any one of you is without sin let him be the first to throw a stone"

Based on that, and only that. I challenge any Christian to look me in the eye and tell me that calling someone out publicly and condemning them for sexual sin is what Jesus would do. Remember, Jesus called the Pharisees a "brood of vipers" and "witewashed tombs". That's what I'm seeing from the administration at BYU, not a good example of faith.

Pedantic rule following in the guise of organized religion is a huge threat to actual Faith, of any variety, and that's all we have here. Power hungry fascists who forgot all about forgiveness and grace in their haste to crack down on people. To put it another way they can't see the forest through the trees, and everyone else can see that. That's why all the hate on here, any rational person, religious or not, can easily tell you that what they did is stupid, petty, and wrong.

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WOW! It is amazing how comfortable all of the bigots feel expressing themselves so freely, very few of which actual KNOW or associate with a member of the Mormon church. I dare any of you to meet me in public and then have anything bad to say about me after. Mormons are generally good people, who try their best to make the world a better place. (please refer to how much the Church donates to foreign aid/all the principles taught by them) Mormons hold the concept of FAMILY sacred. We believe that most of the problems in our society stem from broken homes/families. So a concept such as with-staining from premarital sex isn't too hard to figure out when you factor in: abortion, kids being raised with no fathers, kids being raised by someone who might not be mature enough or ready to give them a proper upbringing. Members of the LDS faith are in fact human, and do make mistakes, just like 100% of all those commenting on this thread. Davies violated a rule that is not only fundamental to the Mormon Church, but also should be considered fundamental to society. Premarital sex is rarely responsible and can have some very serious and unfortunate effects on a young man or women looking to get life off to a good start. Byu is an institution that tries to convert boys and girls into Men and Women of utmost character and integrity. They should be commended and respected for the role they play in accomplishing this.

-BYU COACH[/quote]

Mormons believe women are essentially servants to men. Also, you are basing your entire religion on a guy reading gold tablets out of a top hat. Say the two out loud and see how it sounds. Yes it sounds ridiculous.

I agree with this guy. I don't dispute that BYU can have and enforce their own rules, but I just disagree with them overall. Kudos to them for enforcing their rules/beliefs, but I still think a lot of them are crazy.

I agree with you that Mormons are nice people, generally. I actually have quite a few Mormon friends. Although I don't think they are any better, or really much worse, than any other organized religion.

I also agree that if you enter into a contract and don't fulfill that contract then there is a price to pay. Sports or no sports. I respect people who decide to live that way, and I respect people who don't choose to live that way.

What I really really have a problem with is the 2 year mission whose sole purpose is to go to some very poor countries and recruit for a religion whose *primary* commandment is have a bunch of kids. I find that completely irresponsible when many of the following from said countries are so poor. Irresponsible. I wish missions were more about helping communities build things and teaching about clean water, not just sharing and learning the Book of Mormon.

BYU should reduce the charges to just getting a hand job and let him play in NCAA.

Another thing that you also have to understand is that the rules at BYU are MUCH more extreme than the rest of the church...

Dean, you sound bitter and hostile towards the Church. Earlier you said you were a member but don't attend anymore because of a stand the Church took, doesn't that make you an ex-mormon or an anti ?

Well, whatever coach you are, maybe think about integrity and honesty within your own dumb program. I'll need about 5 peoples fingers and toes to count all the violations that I have personally seen the athletic dept make along with why are you putting your nose in the air about how great your are? don't you believe in humility?

BYU this and byu that, more than half of your distance runners that are running great now won't stand a chance come May. they all burn out, You'll see batty and maybe another 1 or 2 survive. Rex shields and Jared Ro are already tanking just like XC.

Looks like you have plenty of competition from your neighboring schools in utah and before you know it they are going to wipe the cougs off the charts.

So BYU coach, why don't you go read a "talk" by Ezra Benson called beware of pride and stay off the boards to keep your reputation and your institution safe.

this is the 21st century? wrote:

lube wrote:

Provo must be the whack-off capitol of the world.

Actually, I'm pretty sure that's forbidden too.

But your hand isn't going to rat on you!

It's kind of sad that so many people are living their lives according to a fraudulent book that is demonstrably wrong about many, many things. If you read about some of the ridiculous (and unverifiable) parts of the book, you start to understand why the church tries so hard to brainwash its members and enforce conformity. Anyone who bothers to look outside of the church will see that it's a sham.

"The archaeological, historical and scientific communities have in general been skeptical about the claims of the Book of Mormon. Critics of such tend to focus on four main areas:

The lack of correlation between locations described in the Book of Mormon and American archaeological sites.[96]

References to animals, plants, metals and technologies in the Book of Mormon that archaeological or scientific studies have found no evidence of in post-Pleistocene, pre-Columbian America, frequently referred to as anachronisms.[97] Items typically listed include cattle,[98] horses,[99][100] asses,[99][101] oxen,[99] sheep, swine, goats,[102] elephants,[103][104] wheat, steel,[105] brass, chains, iron, scimitars, and chariots.[106]

The lack of linguistic connection between any Native American languages and Near Eastern languages.[107]

The lack of DNA evidence linking any Native American group to the ancient Near East"

hmmmmm

"An additional criticism concerns linguistics. According to the text, the Nephites and the Lamanites initially spoke in Hebrew (600 BC), and might have spoken a modified Semitic language up to at least 400 AD, where the Book of Mormon stops.[33] The introductory paragraph to the Book of Mormon also states that the Lamanites were the "principal ancestors of the American Indians". However, no Semitic language is spoken natively in the Americas today and there is no evidence that any Native American language has been influenced by any Semitic language at any point in its history. The great majority of historical linguists who specialize in the languages of Native America are in agreement that the languages of Native America cannot be proven to be related to each other within the last 8000-10,000 years, let alone within the last 1000.[34] A common counterargument is that the Book of Mormon mentions contact with other civilizations[35] with their own non-Semitic languages that might have influenced or supplanted any Semitic language being spoken. In addition, an introductory heading added to the Book of Mormon in 1981 states that the peoples mentioned therein are the primary ancestors of the Native Americans; it does not conclude that they are the sole ancestors.[36]"

hMMMMMMM

"The book claims that Nephi quoted the prophet Isaiah from the "Brass Plates" which were brought with them out of Jerusalem. Additionally, the footnotes and chapter headings of modern editions of the book acknowledge this and encourage readers to compare Isaiah and 2 Nephi. As such, Nephi should not contain any translation errors that occur in the King James Bible, which it does.[citation needed] One example cited by critics is the word Lucifer which is of Latin origin and appears in the Book of Mormon."

HMMMMMMM!

I like how you take the last thing I said out of context and call me a bigot you uppity ignoramus. When you have no argument that's the last line of defense I suppose.

I prefaced the "Really BYU?" with examples of what was being said about him in the media showing what other commonly accepted actions for dismissal would be.