Heps Track 2010

I was going to ask whether anyone has scored a virtual meet from the DirectAthletics listings, but it seems that some teams still have not had their full squads compete yet. Does that sound right (granting that a lot could happen over the next few weeks anyway)?

C/M Runner wrote:

Clogged wrote:

Did Plummer go bye bye or something?

From goprincetontigers.com

"Although Princeton graduated three-time Ivy League hammer throw champion Alex Pessala, it looks like they have found someone to fill his enormous shoes. Freshman Conor McCullough won the hammer throw in his first attempt reaching 65.79 meters. Junior Craig Pearce was second in the event throwing to 55.20 meters."

http://www.goprincetontigers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=46878&SPID=4268&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=10600&ATCLID=204913310

What do the hammer results have to do with Plummer?

So it looks like the Ivy schools' listings of recruits (on DyeStat) are quite incomplete:

http://parser.dyestat.com/collegepicks.jsp?sort=colleges&seasonyear=2010&submit=Submit

Still, there's enough there to prompt me to think that the Columbia women will definitely be contending for wins next year, too. They have some *strong* athletes coming in.

Princeton doesn't have many people listed, but they always seem to make out okay. "Okay"--yeah, they have killer incoming crews. Harvard should, too, with their great financial-aid setup.

Cornell has some good male recruits listed, but only a couple of females--hard to see how they'd be contending in coming Heps meets IF that list is actually representative. It's gonna take a lot of recruiting/development before they're back on top in the League, I'd say. (So watch them win outdoor Heps and show me a liar--but my bet's still on Princeton.)

High schoolers have until May 1st to decide where to go. I wouldn't look at the recruit listings until early June, since I think that will give them enough time to update the listings to accomodate those responses.

For someodd reason, I thought Plummer = Pessala. My bad.

Sharay Hale ran the 100-200 combo last weekend, winning both events at the George Mason Invite (11.91-24.18). Only Eileen Moran (11.85 - PYP) and Melissa Hewitt (11.83 - Bucknell Invite) have run faster in the 100m this year. Is it possible Hale will run the 100-200-400 combo at Heps this year? Is Columbia going to try to spread people out again, like they did in indoors with Monique Roberts doing the pentathlon and HJ?

So I went to the HepsTrack site to look at the schedule of events at next month's Heps. It indicated a men's 4x800.

Is that right? Is there a scoring men's 4x800 event? Somehow I thought that only the women ran 4x8.

Seriously, has there been a men's 4x800 all along?

If there *is* a scoring men's 4x800, I'd imagine the athletes would know--given that its inclusion would affect some of the coaches' entries in preceding meets. Any athletes know about this 4x8, yea or nay?

I did a virtual-meet scoring from the data at the DirectAthletics site, which I realize may be incomplete. I came up with the following, assuming I didn't screw up the process:

Men--Cornell 207, Princeton 164, Penn 66, Dartmouth 49, Harvard 47, Columbia 39 (or 49, if the 4x8 is in the meet), Brown and Yale 37.

Women--Cornell 150.1, Columbia 105, Penn 104, Princeton 103.6, Brown 90, Harvard 73.7, Yale 38, Dartmouth 35.6.

Results are skewed by limited participation in the 4x800s/multis/distance races, and unlikely doubles/triples; plus different teams have encountered a wide variety of weather conditions. (For example, at least one school seems to have a lot of wind-aided marks.)

Still early in the outdoor season, so I can't predict much, except the obvious: team-wise, the outdoor Heps should resemble the indoor, with the men's side another dual meet, and the women's side having at least three contenders.

So far, the Cornell men have some big gaps in event coverage; Princeton is covering the event groups better and will be competing at home, so it probably should be at least a co-favorite at this point.

With their weakness in the throws, the Columbia women might be less of a threat FTW outdoors; the Princeton women still seem to be somewhat under wraps (and I think their distance runners can do better than that early 38-minute 10,000 that they tempoed as a group!), and should certainly rate as co-favorites on their home track, though Cornell's women are covering the events well.

On both sides of the meet, Penn seems to be the best of the rest.

Once the teams get past Penn Relays, things should be a lot clearer. Maybe I'll do another tally then.

Well the Princeton women have 4 competing in either the 5K or 10K this weekend at Mt SACs, and given how fast those fields will go, they could end up near the top of the East Region. None of them are doubling up for that meet.

I think post-Penn Relays would be the best time to do one of those simulated meets, since the majority of the key players should emerge by then. The only items up in the air would be who would be on the relays or multi events.

But I am still curious if Sharay Hale is going to try to do a 100-200-400 triple, like Katy Jay tried to do in 2003 (Joslyn Woodward edged out Jay in the 100m)

FYI: Liam Boylen-Pett is running the Puma Mile run at Mt SACs.

some alum wrote:

Any athletes know about this 4x8, yea or nay?

Yea. It was announced last year that they'd be adding it this year.

Sarah Cummings 33:55 at Mt. Sac to win it.

Must have had a good kick. I don't know why, but I thought the races would be faster...

Reily Kiernan was scheduled to run in that same race... what happened to her?

Couldn't resist--I did the virtual-meet scoring again. Came up with this (didn't check the arithmetic--apologies in advance for errors--and ignored fractions):

Men--Cornell 196, Princeton 172, Penn 59, Yale 51, Brown 48, Harvard 47, Columbia 46, Dartmouth 44.

Women--Cornell 143, Penn and Columbia 101, Brown 91, Harvard 76, Princeton 72, Yale 39, Dartmouth 29.

As before:

Results are skewed by limited participation in the 4x800s (still)/multis/distance races, and unlikely doubles/triples; plus different teams have encountered a wide variety of weather conditions.

With all the schools (and most of their potential Heps scorers) participating, Penn Relays will give us a much better idea of how things stand.

On the men's side, I'd make Princeton the slight favorite, because Cornell currently gets a big slug of points (not likely to hold up) in the decathlon, and because a lot of their short sprints/hurdles/horizontal-jump marks seem to be windy. (The same winds may have held Cornell back in the lap races, but probably not as much as they've helped in other events.) I actually think the men's meet is a toss-up, but give PU the edge at its home facility.

The women's side of the meet looks extremely close. Penn defeated Princeton in a tri-meet, then lost to Cornell in a dual; based on that, I have to give Cornell the edge at present. The meet schedule is not terribly generous in providing opportunities to double/triple distance runners, but Princeton should still score massive points in the longer events and be legitimate contenders for the team title. OTOH, PU could have a solid meet and still lose to three or four other teams.

Keep an eye on Brown's women. Most of their current points come in the field, and they have the potential to chip away quite a few more points on the track. They could be in the thick of the team hunt by the middle of the second day.

oliu wrote:

Penn defeated Princeton in a tri-meet, then lost to Cornell in a dual; based on that, I have to give Cornell the edge at present.

The PYP tri-meet did not include a 4x8, 5K, or 10K, all events that Princeton would normally sweep/win in a tri-meet scenario. I definitely say Princeton women have the edge over all of this.

The men's scoring I agree with. It's pretty much a battle for third place.

Is anyone in here planning on going to Heps?

C/M Runner wrote:

Is anyone in here planning on going to Heps?

Me, maybe. Does New Jersey Transit go relatively close (within a couple miles, say) to the track?

If the weather sucks, as it mostly has this spring, I'm not very likely to go. I'll just stay "tuned" to HepsTrack.com.

You can get directly on campus using NJ Transit. Just take the "Dinky" from Princeton Junction to Princeton, the platform will be on your left coming in from NY. It's an ~2 min ride.

C/M Runner wrote:

oliu wrote:

Penn defeated Princeton in a tri-meet, then lost to Cornell in a dual; based on that, I have to give Cornell the edge at present.

The PYP tri-meet did not include a 4x8, 5K, or 10K, all events that Princeton would normally sweep/win in a tri-meet scenario. I definitely say Princeton women have the edge over all of this.

Princeton sent Sarah Cummings (won 10k), Alex Banfich (won 5k) & Ashley Higginson (2nd 5k) to MtSac.

They also sent athletes to compete at the University of Florida, Emma Ruggiero (hammer throw), Eileen Moran (100 and 200), Tory Worthen (pole vault), Thanithia Billings (shot put).

That's bunch of points at Heps that didn't compete at PYP.

Mens DMR Columbia was in it. I sneezed and they were not.

When Merber got the baton I said if he goes 4:00/1 they have a medal. He ran another 4:08.x.

116st coffeeshop wrote:

Mens DMR Columbia was in it. I sneezed and they were not.

When Merber got the baton I said if he goes 4:00/1 they have a medal. He ran another 4:08.x.

Princeton were fifth in the 4x1 mile, Trevor Van Ackeren ran a 4:01