Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

Dan Kahneman wrote:

In terms of percentage of the world population, who was more famous, Donald Trump or Hitler?

I believe Hitler

Back in 1945, commercial TV did not exist in most countries.

Radios were there, but few people in much of Asia, African and Latin American had access to them.

The literacy rate in much of Asia, Africa and Latin America was way lower than it is now. (The print media had little influence on those people.)

Many people got their "news" through words of mouth.

So I seriously doubt Hitler's global notoriety.

Today far greater share of population have access to the global media.

Yes you would be correct, but my question was a bit tongue in cheek. Trump beat out Hitler because of mass media. Good for Trump.

1101 wrote:

kibitzer wrote:

Gonna interject that JC (almost certainly) and DJT (definitely) were real people, whereas Satan didn't/doesn't exist.

So?

So the original link referred to "most famous person"--which Satan is/was not.

If we're gonna broaden the category to "most famous entity" then I suspect the Sun would win.

gdal;sggdg wrote:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/16/us-capitol-rioters-donald-trump-pardons

If Trump pardoned the rioters that he invited, that surely would be used against him in the impeachment trial that Sally says can’t happen when he’s not president.

L L wrote:

On a show last night someone said they can ban him on a simple majority without having the 2/3 conviction.

That doesn’t seem to be true.

CORRECT. He must be convicted by 2/3 of the Senate before any punishment applies.

L L wrote:

gdal;sggdg wrote:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/16/us-capitol-rioters-donald-trump-pardons

If Trump pardoned the rioters that he invited, that surely would be used against him in the impeachment trial that Sally says can’t happen when he’s not president.

Not me saying it. The US Constitution is saying it.

Sally Vix wrote:

L L wrote:

If Trump pardoned the rioters that he invited, that surely would be used against him in the impeachment trial that Sally says can’t happen when he’s not president.

Not me saying it. The US Constitution is saying it.

"The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law."

gdal;sggdg wrote:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/16/us-capitol-rioters-donald-trump-pardons

Aside from not giving a sh!t about anyone but himself, it should make perfect sense to Trump topardon them all.

If he doesn't, it makes him a bigger a$$hole than he already is (difficult to do).

kibitzer wrote:

1101 wrote:

So?

So the original link referred to "most famous person"--which Satan is/was not.

If we're gonna broaden the category to "most famous entity" then I suspect the Sun would win.

We're not doing any anthropomorphic stuff here. It's got to be an entity with a high degree of human behaviors who was reasonably likely to have lived. So we can put J. Christ in there. Possibly includes Satan, who many believe was J. Christ's brother - both were loinal offspring of the same exalted man. Anyway, Trump is more famous than Satan, certainly. The only who can give Trump a run for the money is J. Christ himself (P O' P). The debate does not, as some would have you believe, hang on whether J. Christ was indeed black or not. Trump is more famous than either incarnation of J. Christ.

Think about it ... Nixon resigned before an almost certain impeachment and Senate conviction and removal from office. What stopped the House from impeaching the former president and the Senate then having a trial? What happened if the House decided to impeach Bush 43? And the Senate has a trial to convict or acquit him. Once you are out of office Congress can't pursue you. If it could they could impeach any former president.

I'm just assuming trump has already pardoned anyone named trump, steve bannon, anyone famous he likes, and every person at the capitol building on Jan 6.

He has nothing to lose by doing it and it would build his godlike image with the deplorables.

Flagpole wrote:

I've been saying for years that his "wealth" is all smoke and mirrors.

Yes, you have. For years.

Credit where it's due.

kibitzer wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

I've been saying for years that his "wealth" is all smoke and mirrors.

Yes, you have. For years.

Credit where it's due.

Pretty much everyone has said that since 2015

agip wrote:

I'm just assuming trump has already pardoned anyone named trump, steve bannon, anyone famous he likes, and every person at the capitol building on Jan 6.

He has nothing to lose by doing it and it would build his godlike image with the deplorables.

Agip, It is getting old being called terrorists and deporables and terrorists simply because we didn't vote for Biden. Why did I not vote for Biden? Well, he is already making plans to allow citizenship for the 11 illegals already here without providing for increased border security. I am sure health care for them will soon follow. Also, calling the 74 million who voted for Trump is really silly. Even Bill Maher said something like only 400 rioters attacked the Capitol. The other 74 million of us are peaceful.

She makes a compelling argument...not!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa65Ssvs-wY

Sally Vix wrote:

L L wrote:

For the impeachment trial, there is talk that a conviction means Trump can never hold office again.

Not true.

They’d have to hold a second vote to ban him from office. That vote only needs a simple majority.

And they can only hold that vote if he is convicted by the original 2/3 vote.

On a show last night someone said they can ban him on a simple majority without having the 2/3 conviction.

That doesn’t seem to be true.

Again, the Senate can only convict a president. Trump won't be a president during the trial. Trump would prevail in the supreme court.

Current legal opinion that I've read strongly suggests otherwise since a conviction vote precedes a vote to bar him from public office for which he is certainly still eligible. Your statement above then isn't too surprising, since you have an incredible rate of being wrong about pretty much everything.

That being said, it will probably go to the Supreme Court.

Dr. Racket wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

Again, the Senate can only convict a president. Trump won't be a president during the trial. Trump would prevail in the supreme court.

Current legal opinion that I've read strongly suggests otherwise since a conviction vote precedes a vote to bar him from public office for which he is certainly still eligible. Your statement above then isn't too surprising, since you have an incredible rate of being wrong about pretty much everything.

That being said, it will probably go to the Supreme Court.

What does this say? "Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office..."

Shall not extend further than to removal from Office. Well, he WON'T be in office. How can they have a trial if HE IS NOT IN OFFICE???

Sally Vix wrote:

Dr. Racket wrote:

Current legal opinion that I've read strongly suggests otherwise since a conviction vote precedes a vote to bar him from public office for which he is certainly still eligible. Your statement above then isn't too surprising, since you have an incredible rate of being wrong about pretty much everything.

That being said, it will probably go to the Supreme Court.

What does this say? "Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office..."

Shall not extend further than to removal from Office. Well, he WON'T be in office. How can they have a trial if HE IS NOT IN OFFICE???

The more you protest, the more I'm convinced it actually is possible.