BTW - when I was in HS, it was widely know that the Mormongirls were the wildest on campus. FWIW...
BTW - when I was in HS, it was widely know that the Mormongirls were the wildest on campus. FWIW...
Who else has something horrible to say about the Mormons? This is insane.
Winnie2 wrote:
The whole thing is hipocritical. But, that just explains that there actually is no free choice on BYU's campus. Way to make yourself above the US Constitution.
Are you kidding me? It's a private college and students voluntarily choose to go there. (They can probably spell "hypocritical," too.) And I am also not Mormon.
misinformed wrote:
A basic tenant of Mormonism
The term is "tenet."
Um, have you seen Rohatinsky's blog? Has repression and self-loathing written all over it.
Go Cougars wrote:
Have any of you had the pleasure of meeting guys like Josh McAdams, Josh Rohatinsky, Ed Eyestone, Kyle Perry, Miles Batty,...
They are not people who are or seem oppressed by their religion. They choose to live the lives they do and are happy as a result of it. These guys are more like the example of a typical student at BYU (not in running ability, but in how they like to live their lives). Being committed to standards that they choose to live helped make them the wonderful people they are.
personally, im more shocked about the tea/coffee ban
Why the hell would he voluntarily admit to it?
poorkid wrote:
Yes, he admitted it. He sounds like a pretty good kid.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/2011/03/03/2011-03-03_brandon_davies_suspended_by_byu_after_admitting_sex_with_girlfriend_breaking_hon.html
manbearpig wrote:
so does every student with a significant other at byu get questioned about what they are doing in their private time?
A LOT of the students with significant others are MARRIED already in undergrad. It's a remarkable phenomenon really. I was close friends with a mormon girl in HS who never had a boyfriend or engaged in physical relations at all. Then she went off to BYU, found a guy, and married him within the end of her Freshman year. She tells stories of many other partners doing the same thing. I've never been to the campus but from the stories I have heard it is generally assumed you are not engaging in sexual intercourse (because as hard as it is to belive, 95% of unmarried students at BYU are really not) and if you are having sex then you are definetely married.
I remember a Flotrack interview with BYU XC coach on team character, etc...and he revealed that many of his runners were married and have to balance that aspect of life along with their training and the responsibilities which come with it.
BYU is definetely not for everyone. And as evident by this thread, many many onlookers are not aware of the honor code at the school and fail to comprehend how seriously it is in fact taken.
For the record, I am not mormon, but can respect the dedication and commitment they have to certain moral guidelines.
"7th day adventists are a run off of the mormons I believe."
nope-not even close
"can you say david koresh."
Koresh joined the Seventh Day Adventists when he was 19 or 20. Never affiliated with LDS.
It is my understanding that Davies went to the BYU people of his own accord - to discuss the 'Honor Code' incident(s). of his own accord - his own choice.
Why the huge outcry here? Most LRC posters, married or not, could easily stick to the "don't have sex" part of an honor code.
whaaaat wrote:
personally, im more shocked about the tea/coffee ban
I've never quite understood this one. Why no coffee or tea when other caffeinated beverages are allowed?
Check out this article.
What a wonderful diverse country we live in.
Because the rules were written in the 1800's, well before sodas. Most Mormons have interpreted the rule as avoiding addictive caffeine habits (coffee, tea) but small amounts of caffeine in soda/chocolate as ok. Which, actually, makes sense.
The problem is that no one can live up to the code. So you give free reign for the administration to enforce it whenever they want and penalize anyone they want. The whole idea of the code is to make it as vague as possible so you can have every student on campus under your thumb. If the opportunity presents itself to make huge headlines about the upstanding morality of the university you can be damn sure they're going to cash in on it. Davies was just collateral damage, it had to be someone.
dean moriarty wrote:
Because the rules were written in the 1800's, well before sodas. Most Mormons have interpreted the rule as avoiding addictive caffeine habits (coffee, tea) but small amounts of caffeine in soda/chocolate as ok. Which, actually, makes sense.
Ahh, so we can interpret what we think some jackass in the 1800s was supposed to mean about everything? He did not see the hot punani that is strutting college campuses today, I think if he did his rule about pre-marital sex would change. That's my interpretation at least.
Well, people CAN and DO live up to the code, but yeah, I agree with you. The way the Honor Code is enforced is completely bizarre. You can accuse anyone of breaking the rules, and the school will launch a full scale investigation in which you have to waive your right to ecclesiastical privacy.
Psycho.
Bear of Bad News wrote:
I've never quite understood this one. Why no coffee or tea when other caffeinated beverages are allowed?
The ban is not on caffeine, but "hot drinks." At the time, that meant coffee and tea, so that's the rule. So soda is fine, I'm pretty sure hot chocolate is alright. You'd think that iced coffee or frappucinno would be a good loophole, but that's banned to.
Winnie2 wrote:
The whole thing is hipocritical. But, that just explains that there actually is no free choice on BYU's campus. Way to make yourself above the US Constitution.
Um, people use free choice to go to BYU. And no, I'm not a mormon.
As someone who believes in a higher power, I do not care for the tone of this thread.
I cannot believe the number of people who think it alright to proclaim hate or venom at a group of people simply because of their religion...........I agree with the poster who mentioned that Mormons seem to be the one group of people that are fair game to attack without any fear of criticism from the PC crowd. You couldn't do this with Jews or Muslims......... but Mormons are more strict as a group for enforcing their respective standards at a church-run school and suddenly they are fair game for anything you want to say about them?
I have friends who are Mormons and I find them to be normal, good people. Yes, they are disciplined with their beliefs and yes I do not completely understand everything they believe....but that does not make them bad people. They are honest and moral.....and you cannot tell me it is an act.......they sincerely believe in their religion. The world would be a better place if everyone tried to live what they proclaim to believe as well as my mormon friends do.
Bottom-line, BYU is private university with a religious "honor code" attached to it..........they have every right to run their university that way.
See the South Park episode linked above.