Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

Fat hurts wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

CORRECT! We really need to stop doing that. Teachers in their 50s in my affordable Central Ohio area make $100,000 a year, they will retire by age 57 and get great retirement benefits. Now, $100,000 a year isn't a TON of money, but to the working-class guy who makes $32,000, it's a lot, and it's a slap in the face to say these teachers are underpaid, especially when they get the summer off, every holiday off, a winter break, a spring break, etc.

There aren't many teachers in their 50's any more. Most have left the profession by then because of low pay and bad working conditions.

Typically, they use the summer to do their required continuing education. So they are taking classes rather than taking time off.

I'm a South Florida based teacher in my late 40's. I've been teaching for 18 years and I make just over $60K. 100K salary seems like a stinking pipe dream. Yeah, every other summer I take some courses or participate in workshops to get my hours. But it isn't terrible, I still have plenty of time to rest during that time. Teachers are RUNNING from the profession. Have been for a while, but now more than ever because of COVID. I love teaching, love interacting with kids so regardless of pay and work conditions I think I'm in for life. But it takes a unique personality and boatloads of patience and creativity to want to do this forever. The politics of the job is the worse part TBH. Keeping administrators and parents satisfied is tough. I'm good at my job, but all it takes is one person (either parent of admin) who disagrees and job (and life) are made incredibly difficult).

On a related note one of the most frustrating things about the current teaching/learning environment is that it's extremely difficult to speak about what's happening in the country. I have a policy of playing it down the middle. I offer facts and allow for peaceful and respectful conversation from the kids. It's healthy for our kids to be "in the know" with our country's politics and democracy. But I'm finding it harder than ever because facts are now up for interpretation. Depending on what side you lean you either believe or not in the facts.

highhoppingworm wrote:

As a guy who did some teaching of young children right out of college. Holy cow it is hard. Much harder than being an executive at a large corporation. My conclusion... even at 100k a year (not actually what teachers are paid as national median is like 65k) teachers are still underpaid.

I care a lot more about the person teaching my children than the person welding my pipes. Jesus FP!

+1000

agip wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

Of course it makes sense to talk about teacher pay nationwide. Nationwide, teachers are grossly underpaid.

let's say 25% or more of district budgets are going to retired teachers.

let's say another 25% is going to non-teaching staff.

Is that ok? No, no it's not.

none of this is easy or simple.

Yep. Public schools need a LOT more funding.

Like I said, we get what we pay for.

Dr. Racket wrote:

L L wrote:

The progressive ideas are generally long term investments that are better at paying for themselves

Like what exactly? The only "progressive" investments I can think of are Social Security, Medicare, and maybe government pensions. All three are gonna go broke soon unless something gets done

Those programs have served us well for a very long time. They might be improved, but they won't be allowed to just go broke.

Single payer healthcare is much more cost efficient than the current system where most people get their insurance through their employer who then goes to an agent.

They don't pay the insurer, they pay another company that handles premiums and they pay the insurer.

The insurer then pays hospitals and medical centers who then in turn pay doctors, nurses, overhead etc.

If you exchange the monthly premiums that employers pay and send that to a national fund for healthcare, it would save a lot of money at no extra expense.

Then detach a person's health insurance from their employer.

And I have explained how it's been hundred years since we made high school free and extending education up a bit would pay off.

List something specific you have an issue rather than just saying "AOC ideas."

You sound like Tucker Carlson.

Fat hurts wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

I strongly disagree. There are some states where they are underpaid, but in most states, they make very good money for their level of education and time spent working and in the classroom.

Well, you get what you pay for. Some studies show that close to 50% leave the profession within five years. They wouldn't be leaving if they had good pay and working conditions.

So in teaching, we have a very inexperienced work force. And that has a terrible effect on society.

What is the rate for other professions?

Marietta Tar Heel wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

Or we could just pay teachers more so that we get better teaching talent and our students learn to think critically.

As the resident expert on this thread re: teacher's pay, what should the pay scale look like for teachers at say Atlanta Public Schools?

I'm not an expert on teacher pay scales. But obviously, pay should be much higher all across the nation. We need to be able to attract and retain top talent in our public schools.

The best of our college students should consider teaching as a career. But for most, it's not a consideration because they know they won't make much money and they will have terrible working conditions.

Hahahahahahahahahhahaha

You act as if perceived low pay for the job, workplace politics, and peer and customer reviews making your job difficult are not exclusive to teaching. That happens in every profession.

Fat hurts wrote:

Marietta Tar Heel wrote:

As the resident expert on this thread re: teacher's pay, what should the pay scale look like for teachers at say Atlanta Public Schools?

I'm not an expert on teacher pay scales. But obviously, pay should be much higher all across the nation. We need to be able to attract and retain top talent in our public schools.

The best of our college students should consider teaching as a career. But for most, it's not a consideration because they know they won't make much money and they will have terrible working conditions.

You don't what teachers are paid and don't know what they should be paid. The only thing you know is that it should be higher.

Whew. OK. Good argument.

Gina wrote:

never votes democrat wrote:

All democrats will be rounded up and charged with treason.

Site owners/admin,

Can we track this user and forward his details to the FBI?

Thanks.

Did you use the "Report Post" function? Or the email address they give?

The family that storms the Capitol together, stays together.ignore the differing surnames.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13709588/eric-munchel-lisa-eisenhart-capitol-riot-trump/

1. In general, it's true that master's of education is a pretty easy degree. Depends on what you study though. Quality of higher education for teachers is also an issue.

2. I think you've got this one backwards. If teacher pay and working conditions were better than there would be more competition to get into education programs and the academic rigor would improve.

3. See #1 and #2.

Yes, I think most people would agree.

Fat hurts wrote:

Monkeys typing wrote:

I looked at the "buckeye institute" database for Columbus City district and there were a few administrators that were making $100k, not class room teachers. Probably it's higher in the wealthier suburbs, but ultimately they're competing for employees so it's hard to believe $100k is the norm.

If you have a PhD as a classroom teacher then it's not unusual to make 100k. But PhD's are very rare in a K-12 public school.

Maybe at a private school, maybe. Even then, the PhD is probably a retired industry professional who worked 30 years and now wants to teach.

100k would be like tenured professor salary, depending on the department and school of course.

kibitzer wrote:

Gina wrote:

Site owners/admin,

Can we track this user and forward his details to the FBI?

Thanks.

Did you use the "Report Post" function? Or the email address they give?

Not yet, I will follow up with that.

These threats are taken serious now, the macho posturing online isn’t okay if it’s an actual threat.

Marietta Tar Heel wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

Well, you get what you pay for. Some studies show that close to 50% leave the profession within five years. They wouldn't be leaving if they had good pay and working conditions.

So in teaching, we have a very inexperienced work force. And that has a terrible effect on society.

What is the rate for other professions?

Google is your friend.

Gina wrote:

kibitzer wrote:

Did you use the "Report Post" function? Or the email address they give?

Not yet, I will follow up with that.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9131441/Trump-fanatic-arrested-texting-friends-saying-wanted-shoot-run-Nancy-Pelosi.html

These threats are taken serious now, the macho posturing online isn’t okay if it’s an actual threat.

I hope our resident troll doesn't get caught up in this social media round-up.

Marietta Tar Heel wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

I'm not an expert on teacher pay scales. But obviously, pay should be much higher all across the nation. We need to be able to attract and retain top talent in our public schools.

The best of our college students should consider teaching as a career. But for most, it's not a consideration because they know they won't make much money and they will have terrible working conditions.

You don't what teachers are paid and don't know what they should be paid. The only thing you know is that it should be higher.

Whew. OK. Good argument.

If you have to be a subject matter expert to post your opinion on something, nobody would post.

It is obvious to me that teacher pay should be much higher to attract and retain better talent. If you have a good counter-argument, go ahead and present it. I won't force you to be an expert on teacher pay scales.

Fat hurts wrote:

Marietta Tar Heel wrote:

What is the rate for other professions?

Google is your friend.

I understand why you wouldn't want to answer. It's not a unique attrition rate and doesn't bolster your argument for higher teacher pay. To be honest here, none of your points about highjer teacher pay have bolstered your argument either.