Yeah, just want to make it clear because of how your post is formatted. The allegations of voter fraud that you've quoted are not my allegations, they are Trump's verbatim words from the transcript of his phone call with Raffensperger.
Yeah, just want to make it clear because of how your post is formatted. The allegations of voter fraud that you've quoted are not my allegations, they are Trump's verbatim words from the transcript of his phone call with Raffensperger.
formerly present wrote:
gilt wrote:
This is a strong allegation. Is there any evidence of this?
It's a quotation from Trump.
So no, of course not.
And today Gabe Sterling, head Georgia election official, stated that the only shredding is of the mail envelopes and security sleeves, neither of which have evidence value because they don't identify the voter. As per state law, Georgia keeps the counted ballots, and has posted the vote tallies by precinct online. So it would be difficult for Georgia to hid official fraud. The aggregate vote matches the total of the precinct tallies and the ballots are preserved as evidence (and were checked in the hand count).
Dan Kahneman wrote:
seattle prattle wrote:
Same here.
I think momentum is with the Democrats. I predict both democrats winning.
Don't be surprised if a state or three begins the process to decertify Biden electors this week.
Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
Don't be surprised if a state or three begins the process to decertify Biden electors this week.
YAWN!!! There is no such legal authority. All you get is republicans on a few committees "recommending" such action. The recommendation carries zero legal weight, and requires no consideration whatsoever by anyone, because no one has the power to decertify because Fatso, makeup boy, Trump said so.
Meanwhile, Trump is flying to Scotland on Jan 20th for vacation.
Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
Dan Kahneman wrote:
I think momentum is with the Democrats. I predict both democrats winning.
Don't be surprised if a state or three begins the process to decertify Biden electors this week.
And once one does, the rest will soon follow suit, casting aside that which has binds them, until we shall rise up, one nation, under Trump.
I hear thee, brother.
Gina wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/04/trump-biden-inauguration-plane-flight-scotlandA criminal.
The plan is to put the US authorities, some of which is led by his minions, in an awkward position of having to take sides. This might be a little test of loyalty before he does something dumber.
It could also be that he believes he will face imminent arrest.
This isn’t going to play well in Scotland especially since they are in a total lockdown not allowing flights. They won’t deny a sitting US president from landing of course but as soon as he loses his title and status the gloves can come off.
To supplement a potential plot to evade justice, he might use the excuse that he is engaged in a legal dispute with his FL neighbors and therefore couldn’t go to Mar a Virus as he had planned.
I believe we are going to see some trump property hopping after Scotland while he feels out the risks at home. It will be interesting to see if indictments are immediately announced on Jan 20 when he loses immunity. That will cause him to stay away.
No doubt there will be another political crisis with a big chunk of the GOP blaming the Dem led deep state for going after the actual winner and the rest remaining silent. In other words, the GOP will give him plenty of cover and that will not make it easier for any country he might be in to consider detainment and extradition.
It’s also possible he will send planes to different places to try to conceal where he is actually going.
We just might have an OJ situation and trump will be even more infamous.
Trollminator wrote:
Gina wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/04/trump-biden-inauguration-plane-flight-scotlandA criminal.
The plan is to put the US authorities, some of which is led by his minions, in an awkward position of having to take sides. This might be a little test of loyalty before he does something dumber.
It could also be that he believes he will face imminent arrest.
This isn’t going to play well in Scotland especially since they are in a total lockdown not allowing flights. They won’t deny a sitting US president from landing of course but as soon as he loses his title and status the gloves can come off.
To supplement a potential plot to evade justice, he might use the excuse that he is engaged in a legal dispute with his FL neighbors and therefore couldn’t go to Mar a Virus as he had planned.
I believe we are going to see some trump property hopping after Scotland while he feels out the risks at home. It will be interesting to see if indictments are immediately announced on Jan 20 when he loses immunity. That will cause him to stay away.
No doubt there will be another political crisis with a big chunk of the GOP blaming the Dem led deep state for going after the actual winner and the rest remaining silent. In other words, the GOP will give him plenty of cover and that will not make it easier for any country he might be in to consider detainment and extradition.
It’s also possible he will send planes to different places to try to conceal where he is actually going.
We just might have an OJ situation and trump will be even more infamous.
I forgot to add. Resignation and a blanket pardon by Pence is a likely scenario for the 19th. It can all be done within an hour and could be held in private so no one prevents him from flying out.
The fact that people really believe Trump can overturn an election really concerns me about their mental health. Flat Earth. Bermuda Triangle. Trump won 2020. Same deranged people.
Alan
Runningart2004 wrote:
The fact that people really believe Trump can overturn an election really concerns me about their mental health. Flat Earth. Bermuda Triangle. Trump won 2020. Same deranged people.
Alan
This widespread belief tells us that the trump admin, enabled by the GOP, was effective in brainwashing people to believe it could happen. To take that a step further, they were priming the base to not only accept but support them in overturning a trump loss. What do you think would have happened with this attempted coup if the GOP had the House majority?
Who win in result?
Gina wrote:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/04/trump-biden-inauguration-plane-flight-scotlandA criminal.
Interesting. I've been predicting for a very long time that he would flee to exile. Scotland will not be the final destination though. Probably it's Turkey.
Trollminator wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:
The fact that people really believe Trump can overturn an election really concerns me about their mental health. Flat Earth. Bermuda Triangle. Trump won 2020. Same deranged people.
Alan
This widespread belief tells us that the trump admin, enabled by the GOP, was effective in brainwashing people to believe it could happen. To take that a step further, they were priming the base to not only accept but support them in overturning a trump loss. What do you think would have happened with this attempted coup if the GOP had the House majority?
Let's flip this over. The deranged are those that were obsessed that Trump was not duly elected in 2016, that Trump conspired with the Russians which the Mueller investigation proved to be false, that Michael Cohen, John Bolton et al. Would "flip" and bring Trump down, that the porn stars would bring Trump down, that Trump committed crimes which would get him impeached, convicted and removed from office, that Trump would be dragged from the White House in handcuffs, that Melania would leave Trump once he lost, that Ivanka Trump would be charged with crimes, that Jarrod Kushner would be charged with crimes, etc., etc., etc., etc. For 4 years you Liberals have been saying ________ was going to happen and NONE OF IT ever came to fruition. NONE OF IT!!! Call it wishful speculation or more accurately deranged speculation. You Liberals batted .000 on it which is .200 below the Mendoza Line. Pathetic.
Trollminator wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:
The fact that people really believe Trump can overturn an election really concerns me about their mental health. Flat Earth. Bermuda Triangle. Trump won 2020. Same deranged people.
Alan
This widespread belief tells us that the trump admin, enabled by the GOP, was effective in brainwashing people to believe it could happen. To take that a step further, they were priming the base to not only accept but support them in overturning a trump loss. What do you think would have happened with this attempted coup if the GOP had the House majority?
Nothing. Congress really has little to say over the state's elections. Even Congress can't overturn the Constitution. Like with all politicians it's simply a play for power and for 2024. They have to keep the middle aged white deplorables within the circle as they vote as a bloc. Same with the Dems and their blocs.
Any overturn would be met with swift and decisive court action to reverse it.
Alan
Trollminator wrote:
This widespread belief tells us that the trump admin, enabled by the GOP, was effective in brainwashing people to believe it could happen. To take that a step further, they were priming the base to not only accept but support them in overturning a trump loss. What do you think would have happened with this attempted coup if the GOP had the House majority?
In another thread I talked about having a 90 minute discussion with a work colleague about the current state of American politics. Worked with him for 10 years and he's an honest, hard-working father of two. But a Trumper. He said to me YESTERDAY "if Biden wins, I'll lose respect for the electoral system in our country and probably won't vote again." He still believes Trump can win and that the "evidence" suggests he should win. Obviously, short-term, if he and other Trumpers "lose faith" in how elections are run then it would be terrific for the country. But, I don't like the idea of Americans not wanting to be a part of what might be one of the best part about being American. Yes, his views are completely out of whack. But this is the real damage that is being done. The integrity of our democracy has been severely, and maybe irreversibly, damaged.
If only to make sure there is no way an election result can be questioned, how we vote needs to be dramatically altered so that every state does it identically and so that the results are without dispute, even from the craziest of conspiracy theorists.
Sally Vix wrote:
You Liberals batted .000 on it which is .200 below the Mendoza Line. Pathetic.
Trump was impeached. Trump lost the election. Democrats are about to flip the senate. Citizen Trump will face prosecution "the likes we have never seen."
welp wrote:
If only to make sure there is no way an election result can be questioned, how we vote needs to be dramatically altered so that every state does it identically and so that the results are without dispute, even from the craziest of conspiracy theorists.
The problem is existential in nature - the voting process is simply just the lowest hanging fruit. People who believe he's the true winner will make any excuse to justify the reasoning.
Runningart2004 wrote:
...Like with all politicians it's simply a play for power and for 2024. They have to keep the middle aged white deplorables within the circle as they vote as a bloc. Same with the Dems and their blocs.
Democrats have said some stupid sh!t before I can't recall a time when they've so blatantly and embarrassingly put on a clown show that threatens our democratic institutions like what the Republicans are doing now.
The Republican Party was complicit in preventing any possible negative ramification of Trump's actions during his presidency.
His star helpers Nunes and Jordan are being awarded with a Medal of Freedom.
All of the convicted criminals that covered for Trump were pardoned by Trump.
And his millions of cult followers are with him all the way.
But at least they are the minority of Americans.
L L wrote:
The Republican Party was complicit in preventing any possible negative ramification of Trump's actions during his presidency.
His star helpers Nunes and Jordan are being awarded with a Medal of Freedom.
All of the convicted criminals that covered for Trump were pardoned by Trump.
And his millions of cult followers are with him all the way.
But at least they are the minority of Americans.
By Igy's logic, that the millions of cult followers exist is proof that trump must be good.