Trollminator wrote:
Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
Because Dems cannot attack labor rights and environmental protection. Rs think it's "pro-business" when workers and environment are assaulted. They think Trump is great for the economy when he calls for "reopening" regardless of the public health risk. Dems cannot take "corporate profit at any cost" approach.
So even when the unemployment rate is lower, the GDP growth is higher, or even the stock market is higher, Dems cannot get credit for that.
I don't know about your family, but 90% of people are not data oriented. So pointing to hard. cold data does nothing for them. Those numbers must be doctored anyway.
I'm focusing on boasting in general. When you look at the state of the country from beginning of Obama's 1st term to the end of his 2nd there was much to take credit for, but he didn't do that. Instead, trump took credit for everything he worked hard for while destroying it all. I understand Obama is a modest person but most of the population is made up of simpletons who are not educating themselves about anything. They barely read and when they do it's not about politics. Why not use some simple repetitive lines and boast about everything good that happens under your watch? Sounds like a pretty easy strategy that pays off. Dems are pretty bad at the political game.
+1
one of obama's failures was not to boast about what dems accomplished.
that let the Rs label the O admin and they are just liars. And much better at poltiics than the dems.
Trump is a world-class loser. A once-in-a-century level loser.
https://twitter.com/Bob_Casey/status/1326213866095669248?s=20
agip wrote:
Racket wrote:
Maybe, but I doubt it. Very little appetite on the left or right for that sort of thing. People are much more in a punitive mood. He could very well keep Phase 1 tariffs rolling though, it's TBD.
The only good thing here is that Biden is probably smart enough to measure trade in more than just deficits and surpluses.
I'm more concerned with Biden entering the Paris Climate Accords. It's the absolute lowest bar for climate change you could possibly imagine and mostly involves the US subsidizing everyone else's dogsh!t promises to meet their status quo. The US should be a world leader in this area for sure, but why we're willing to settle for this laughing stock of a framework is embarrassing
gotsta start somewhere
have to prime the pump, get things going, build trust, then move forward
Paris is better than the alternative, which is waiting for perfection and, not getting it, living with nothing instead.
Funny you say that, because by several accounts Paris is almost exactly equivalent to doing nothing, minus the hundreds of billions the US is expected to shell out to emerging markets while India and China are free to fvck around for the next 20 years.
It's a joke. It's like when kids take advantage of a parent who keeps giving them money and they say "Well I don't like it and they're terribly spoiled and awful kids but I guess I can't do anything about it."
https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2015/11/why-the-paris-climate-deal-is-meaningless-000326/Trollminator wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Markets go up after an election regardless of who is elected. The stability and predictability has to do with just KNOWING who the president is. It has nothing to do with the fact that Biden was elected. Trump would have gotten a similar bump if he had been elected. The markets just don't like uncertainty.
WE know that, but what about 95% of the country? I am ok with Biden saying it's his roaring stock market if that motivates more mouth breathers.
Yes, 95% of the country doesn't understand how the markets work.
Racket wrote:
agip wrote:
gotsta start somewhere
have to prime the pump, get things going, build trust, then move forward
Paris is better than the alternative, which is waiting for perfection and, not getting it, living with nothing instead.
Funny you say that, because by several accounts Paris is almost exactly equivalent to doing nothing, minus the hundreds of billions the US is expected to shell out to emerging markets while India and China are free to fvck around for the next 20 years.
It's a joke. It's like when kids take advantage of a parent who keeps giving them money and they say "Well I don't like it and they're terribly spoiled and awful kids but I guess I can't do anything about it."
https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2015/11/why-the-paris-climate-deal-is-meaningless-000326/
Yes, we are FVKD. The Paris deal, as written, almost certainly won't save us.
But it could. It's possible that positive peer pressure will win out and nations will adopt increasingly greener standards. It's unlikely, but it's possible. I don't know of a better strategy than to just keep the nations talking to each other. Keep gathering for those COP summits. Keep hammering out the details.
Nations like China and India really are adopting greener policies than before Paris. And the EU is almost getting serious to the point that it's no longer a joke. It's not nearly enough, but it's a start.
The strategy that definitely won't work is giving up.
Trollminator wrote:
Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
Because Dems cannot attack labor rights and environmental protection. Rs think it's "pro-business" when workers and environment are assaulted. They think Trump is great for the economy when he calls for "reopening" regardless of the public health risk. Dems cannot take "corporate profit at any cost" approach.
So even when the unemployment rate is lower, the GDP growth is higher, or even the stock market is higher, Dems cannot get credit for that.
I don't know about your family, but 90% of people are not data oriented. So pointing to hard. cold data does nothing for them. Those numbers must be doctored anyway.
I'm focusing on boasting in general. When you look at the state of the country from beginning of Obama's 1st term to the end of his 2nd there was much to take credit for, but he didn't do that. Instead, trump took credit for everything he worked hard for while destroying it all. I understand Obama is a modest person but most of the population is made up of simpletons who are not educating themselves about anything. They barely read and when they do it's not about politics. Why not use some simple repetitive lines and boast about everything good that happens under your watch? Sounds like a pretty easy strategy that pays off. Dems are pretty bad at the political game.
"Osama Bin Laden is dead, and GM is alive." -- Joe Biden in 2012.
I think that was simple enough.
Dems may not be doing enough of this, but they are talking to an audience not willing to listen.
Fat hurts wrote:
Racket wrote:
Funny you say that, because by several accounts Paris is almost exactly equivalent to doing nothing, minus the hundreds of billions the US is expected to shell out to emerging markets while India and China are free to fvck around for the next 20 years.
It's a joke. It's like when kids take advantage of a parent who keeps giving them money and they say "Well I don't like it and they're terribly spoiled and awful kids but I guess I can't do anything about it."
https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2015/11/why-the-paris-climate-deal-is-meaningless-000326/Yes, we are FVKD. The Paris deal, as written, almost certainly won't save us.
But it could. It's possible that positive peer pressure will win out and nations will adopt increasingly greener standards. It's unlikely, but it's possible. I don't know of a better strategy than to just keep the nations talking to each other. Keep gathering for those COP summits. Keep hammering out the details.
Nations like China and India really are adopting greener policies than before Paris. And the EU is almost getting serious to the point that it's no longer a joke. It's not nearly enough, but it's a start.
The strategy that definitely won't work is giving up.
haven't read the piece, but think of it like tesla.
tesla would never had made it without big government subsidies.
so some would have said 'tesla is a stupid zombie company - it can't survive on its own.'
but the subsidies worked - tesla has proven that people want electric cars and they can be made profitably. Suddenly there are tons of companies entering the business.
Paris is like that. If an international accord can hold together with support, more can be done in the future.
Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
I'm focusing on boasting in general. When you look at the state of the country from beginning of Obama's 1st term to the end of his 2nd there was much to take credit for, but he didn't do that. Instead, trump took credit for everything he worked hard for while destroying it all. I understand Obama is a modest person but most of the population is made up of simpletons who are not educating themselves about anything. They barely read and when they do it's not about politics. Why not use some simple repetitive lines and boast about everything good that happens under your watch? Sounds like a pretty easy strategy that pays off. Dems are pretty bad at the political game.
"Osama Bin Laden is dead, and GM is alive." -- Joe Biden in 2012.
I think that was simple enough.
Dems may not be doing enough of this, but they are talking to an audience not willing to listen.
It's clearly an audience that will listen. Trump managed to completely captivate them less than 4 years.
The issue, in my opinion, is the message. Dems need to work on their delivery
Racket wrote:
It's clearly an audience that will listen. Trump managed to completely captivate them less than 4 years.
The issue, in my opinion, is the message. Dems need to work on their delivery
Trump captivated them because he said what they wanted to hear. Dems cannot do the same without offending their base.
agip wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Yes, we are FVKD. The Paris deal, as written, almost certainly won't save us.
But it could. It's possible that positive peer pressure will win out and nations will adopt increasingly greener standards. It's unlikely, but it's possible. I don't know of a better strategy than to just keep the nations talking to each other. Keep gathering for those COP summits. Keep hammering out the details.
Nations like China and India really are adopting greener policies than before Paris. And the EU is almost getting serious to the point that it's no longer a joke. It's not nearly enough, but it's a start.
The strategy that definitely won't work is giving up.
haven't read the piece, but think of it like tesla.
tesla would never had made it without big government subsidies.
so some would have said 'tesla is a stupid zombie company - it can't survive on its own.'
but the subsidies worked - tesla has proven that people want electric cars and they can be made profitably. Suddenly there are tons of companies entering the business.
Paris is like that. If an international accord can hold together with support, more can be done in the future.
EV subsidies worked well because it was a good idea with tangible benefits up front.
Paris is basically sitting around a trillion dollar campfire (paid for exclusively by US taxpayers) and singing kumbaya.
If the US was serious then we should throw our economic weight around more and start figuring our carbon taxes that aren't poor taxes
I guess it's back to hating on the Jews and maybe learning about weird diaper wearing.
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I would add one thing. Biden definitely has one big advantage over Obama and Hillary when it comes to getting some people listen to him. And everyone knows what I mean.
Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
Racket wrote:
It's clearly an audience that will listen. Trump managed to completely captivate them less than 4 years.
The issue, in my opinion, is the message. Dems need to work on their delivery
Trump captivated them because he said what they wanted to hear. Dems cannot do the same without offending their base.
Scorching white hot corona of the sun take : that's because a big portion of the base wants to wonder why we're so divided on one hand and then refuse to even consider talking to the other party on the other.
Racket wrote:
Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
"Osama Bin Laden is dead, and GM is alive." -- Joe Biden in 2012.
I think that was simple enough.
Dems may not be doing enough of this, but they are talking to an audience not willing to listen.
It's clearly an audience that will listen. Trump managed to completely captivate them less than 4 years.
The issue, in my opinion, is the message. Dems need to work on their delivery
Maybe they need a useful idiot like the GOP.
Flagpole wrote:
ATLXRunner wrote:
Ohio? Ooof. I spent a lot of time all over that state years ago. No way I could ever live anywhere in that area. No wonder you are looking at getting out of that sh!thole.
And, wow, how old are you that you are worried about falling down the stairs to your death?
Worried about taking care of your parents and in-laws.
Worried about kid finishing college before retiring.
Not wanting to move to an area because of the "political climate."
Man, it sounds like you are just one of those people who are set in their ways, afraid to pull the trigger because "what if?" My advice is to live your life. Otherwise, those what-ifs are going to keep you from living a good life. You'll be stuck in the same town, in the same house, at the same job, never retiring, never traveling the world all because "what if."
1) I was born in Ohio, and my wife and her family and my family are all here. I do not like the weather here, but Ohio is an ok place to raise kids and build wealth, depending on where you live in Ohio.
2) Neither my wife nor I like winter, so we do not plan to retire here in Ohio.
3) When we pick a place to retire to, the plan is that that will be the house the rest of our lives. We are both in our 50s. Not fearing falling down stairs now or ever, but there just is no need for an 80+-year-old person to have to go up and down stairs.
4) You've got me all wrong, brother. I've lived in 5 different states, and I've traveled the world over. Adventure is my middle name. Just telling you things that COULD change our plans. My plans could change if both my children move to [insert state name here] and start families there. You just never know. I just know that I will not plan to retire in Ohio. I do not "worry" about anything. I make plans to do certain things but realize those plans may change. And, Oh, I'm retiring. I'm financially able to do it right now, but I am at a minimum going to see my largest client project through for another year when it will end. When that is over, I do not plan to take on another project with that client, and my weekly hours will then be down to about 10. I may continue to work at that level for a couple more years after that, but I will retire before age 60. If I had to guess, age 57 seems about right.
5) Regarding political climate, it's not THE factor, but it is A factor. I don't need some yahoos with Trump flags (or the evil of the day) on all sides of me. I do not PLAN to be surrounded by ignorant people.
1. You must the one guy who moved out of Ohio and then moved back. lol Everyone I know who lived there and left have never wanted to go back.
2. You guys don't like Winter, but you chose to move to Ohio? Weird. Did you not know what Ohio is like from living there before?
3. Ha! You must be a planner. I couldn't imagine making decisions about my living arrangements 30 years in advance. Make sure you get a house with walk-in showers with no thresholds to step over, Better yet get one of those tubs with a door in the side. Don't forget the handrails in tub/shower/toilet. Make sure all areas have enough clearance for your wheelchair too. lol
I bet you even have a funeral plot already, Live a little in the moment, man. Not everything in your life has to be planned out decades in advance.
4. " I'm financially able to do it [retire] right now" -
Ah, the mantra of every person who wants to retire but can't do it financially yet. Trust me. If you were financially able to comfortably retire right now, you would. Heck, even I said that before I could retire - "I could retire right now if I wanted. I just choose not to."
Good for you though. I couldn't imagine working into my late 50s. Fortunately, I made some good decisions early on, got a little lucky later on and was able to retire early and not look back. Good luck to you in getting to a place financially where you can retire.
Good that you're a globe-trekker. I bet the planner in you plans every detail of your trips to the last minute. lol BTW, where do you fly out of in Ohio to Europe or Asia? I would think it would take forever with all the stops. Someone mentioned ATL's airport. Great place to fly out of internationally.
'I do not "worry" about anything.'
Seems that you worry about a lot of things. You went into this off-topic story about your aunt falling down stairs and how dangerous they are. Weird that someone in their 50s would be so concerned about stairs. You're obviously worried about having to take care of your parents and in-laws.
5. " I don't need some yahoos with Trump flags (or the evil of the day) on all sides of me."
You must live in a sh!thole neighborhood or community if you're worried about someone flying Trump (or whatever) flags around you. Any respectable community prohibits that type of thing.
Anyway, good luck to you.
Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
Racket wrote:
It's clearly an audience that will listen. Trump managed to completely captivate them less than 4 years.
The issue, in my opinion, is the message. Dems need to work on their delivery
Trump captivated them because he said what they wanted to hear. Dems cannot do the same without offending their base.
I guess they can’t say things like:
- Trump and the GOP are treasonous POS, let’s handle them accordingly.
- How about we hand these criminals their a$$es in the next election?
- The GOP wants to trash the constitution? Let them get crazy, we’ll get ret@rded!
All joking aside, ok, what do most Dems want to hear that will motivate them in trump hypnosis fashion?
Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
I would add one thing. Biden definitely has one big advantage over Obama and Hillary when it comes to getting some people listen to him. And everyone knows what I mean.
I certainly think he’s more likable than HRC, but I think at least for this election it was mostly just picking a guy who can beat trump. Come on, no one was that excited about Biden or any other candidate, we were all excited about removing the turd.