Fat hurts wrote:
Either a gas car is better or an EV is better.
There is only one tiny situation where a gas car has any advantage. That is on very long trips. So unless long trips make up most of your driving, the EV is better.
And if you buy a gas car you are an idiot.
An EV car can't make the same Vroom sound and feel that a gas car can.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4duYtLBX9oL L wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Either a gas car is better or an EV is better.
There is only one tiny situation where a gas car has any advantage. That is on very long trips. So unless long trips make up most of your driving, the EV is better.
And if you buy a gas car you are an idiot.
An EV car can't make the same Vroom sound and feel that a gas car can.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4duYtLBX9o
Actually, the Mustang Mach E put in artificial Vroom sounds. You can turn them on or off.
And Tesla has fart mode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqkURdcNGC4Fat hurts wrote:
jumbo shrimp wrote:
Wow. I feel your anger in that post. Listen. All through this thread you have admitted over and over through the workarounds and hoops you have to jump through with an EV that they are frustrating and inconvenient. I know you were just trying to overcome objections but in doing so you proved my point that EVs today are inconvenient and frustrating. And you proved it quite well. Thank you for that. EVs will get a lot better in the next few years. Battery tech will improve driving costs down and mileage up. Adequate infrastructure will be built to support EVs. Today they are frustrating and inconvenient and especially if you are unfortunate enough to have bought something other than a Tesla. I can’t imagine the frustration and inconvenience of EV owners who made the mistake of buying something other than a Tesla.
Wow. I feel your anger in that post. Listen. All through this thread you have admitted over and over through the workarounds and hoops you have to jump through with a gas car that they are frustrating and inconvenient. (Not to mention dangerous, expensive, and unreliable)
It's too bad you are stuck with your slow granny-mobile. It's too bad that you didn't buy an EV years ago so you would realize that you should buy Tesla stock at $86 a share like I did.
But maybe you are starting to come around now. It sounds like you at least admit that a Tesla is better than a gas car. But take it from 97% of all EV owners who will tell you that any EV is better than a gas car.
If you buy a gas car you are an idiot.
Lol. Cute. Listen. I like EVs too. They will be great one day. But I’m smart enough to realize that they are not ready for prime time right now. Stock prices, 0-60 time , spinning rims and the such have nothing to do with them not being frustrating and inconvenient. You know that though. Congrats on buying a stock low but you know that has nothing to do with today’s EVs being frustrating and inconvenient. You bought low and they are still inconvenient and frustrating. Lol. I’m right on this and you have admitted as much throughout this thread by trying to overcome people’s objections with frustrating and inconvenient workarounds. Will EVs get less frustrating and more convenient in a few years? Most likely yes. I hope they will. But for now they are inconvenient and frustrating. You know this. You’ve already told us so several times.
jumbo shrimp wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Wow. I feel your anger in that post. Listen. All through this thread you have admitted over and over through the workarounds and hoops you have to jump through with a gas car that they are frustrating and inconvenient. (Not to mention dangerous, expensive, and unreliable)
It's too bad you are stuck with your slow granny-mobile. It's too bad that you didn't buy an EV years ago so you would realize that you should buy Tesla stock at $86 a share like I did.
But maybe you are starting to come around now. It sounds like you at least admit that a Tesla is better than a gas car. But take it from 97% of all EV owners who will tell you that any EV is better than a gas car.
If you buy a gas car you are an idiot.
Lol. Cute. Listen. I like EVs too. They will be great one day. But I’m smart enough to realize that they are not ready for prime time right now. Stock prices, 0-60 time , spinning rims and the such have nothing to do with them not being frustrating and inconvenient. You know that though. Congrats on buying a stock low but you know that has nothing to do with today’s EVs being frustrating and inconvenient. You bought low and they are still inconvenient and frustrating. Lol. I’m right on this and you have admitted as much throughout this thread by trying to overcome people’s objections with frustrating and inconvenient workarounds. Will EVs get less frustrating and more convenient in a few years? Most likely yes. I hope they will. But for now they are inconvenient and frustrating. You know this. You’ve already told us so several times.
You are wrong on this because you don't know what you are talking about. You have never owned an EV so you don't understand how heavily the advantages outweigh the one small disadvantage.
You have lied about EV charging scenarios that don't exist. You have lied about EV charging times that don't exist. You have lied about EV range. You have proven that you don't have a clue about what it's really like to own an EV.
Just take if from the 97% of EV owners who say they will never buy another gas car. We all know that if you do buy a gas car you are an idiot.
Fat hurts wrote:
jumbo shrimp wrote:
Lol. Cute. Listen. I like EVs too. They will be great one day. But I’m smart enough to realize that they are not ready for prime time right now. Stock prices, 0-60 time , spinning rims and the such have nothing to do with them not being frustrating and inconvenient. You know that though. Congrats on buying a stock low but you know that has nothing to do with today’s EVs being frustrating and inconvenient. You bought low and they are still inconvenient and frustrating. Lol. I’m right on this and you have admitted as much throughout this thread by trying to overcome people’s objections with frustrating and inconvenient workarounds. Will EVs get less frustrating and more convenient in a few years? Most likely yes. I hope they will. But for now they are inconvenient and frustrating. You know this. You’ve already told us so several times.
You are wrong on this because you don't know what you are talking about. You have never owned an EV so you don't understand how heavily the advantages outweigh the one small disadvantage.
You have lied about EV charging scenarios that don't exist. You have lied about EV charging times that don't exist. You have lied about EV range. You have proven that you don't have a clue about what it's really like to own an EV.
Just take if from the 97% of EV owners who say they will never buy another gas car. We all know that if you do buy a gas car you are an idiot.
Wow. Such anger. Lol. Nope not lying about anything and you know that. You’ve even tried to overcome objections that I presented regarding all those things with workarounds and by jumping through hoops. I get it. You are are a big fanboy and perhaps are a little or a lot peeved about getting an EV early and having to suffer through the inconvenience and frustration. Maybe you’re upset that you don’t have a Tesla since even though Tesla’s aren’t ready for prime time they are years ahead of other EV makes today. If you own an EV that is not a Tesla it is really really inconvenient and frustrating. You’ve told several stories about this. You really want to rationalize your decision when you know and have admitted in this thread how painful, time-consuming, inconvenient and frustrating it has been for you. I like EVs but I smart enough to understand that as of today they are inconvenient and frustrating. Will they get better in a few years? Yes. Most likely. Battery tech improvements will drive down prices and improve mileage. Infrastructure improvements will also take place. These things take time. Today EVs are inconvenient and frustrating. You know it. You’ve told us so on this thread.
Biden Fans- Please explain to me how illegal immigrants with positive covid tests are being allowed to mingle in to the United States? How does this make sense?
The "opening" of TX brings to the forefront for the first time the interesting statistical and policy question of when is the right time to reopen?
Looking at Georgia's stats (we are one of the worst at everything btw):
Ages 65+ make up 14% of the population and have accounted for 46% of COVID hospitalizations and 78% of all COVID-related deaths in the state.
We have 1.5 million residents aged 65+.
We have now given at least one dose to 835K of those aged 65+. (56% of the group)
Of those 65+, 118K have tested positive for COVID (many more have likely had it, but not tested - some estimates would put it at 2-3x). (8-24%)
The AJC had a poll where 34% of GA residents would not get the vaccine. There was not a demographic breakdown, but I would assume it would skew toward younger and more in the 65+ would want the vaccine, but not nearly all (20-25%???).
In a few weeks, likely more than 70-80% of Georgians aged 65+ will have either received the vaccine or have some immunity due to having COVID. There is some overlap in the groups, but I think it would be a good estimate.
With around 70-80% of the most most likely group to be hospitalized or die from COVID being vaccinated (reducing deaths and severe disease to near zero), is it safe to open up Georgia? If not, what do the vaccination stats need to be in order to open up safely?
jumbo shrimp wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
You are wrong on this because you don't know what you are talking about. You have never owned an EV so you don't understand how heavily the advantages outweigh the one small disadvantage.
You have lied about EV charging scenarios that don't exist. You have lied about EV charging times that don't exist. You have lied about EV range. You have proven that you don't have a clue about what it's really like to own an EV.
Just take if from the 97% of EV owners who say they will never buy another gas car. We all know that if you do buy a gas car you are an idiot.
Wow. Such anger. Lol. Nope not lying about anything and you know that. You’ve even tried to overcome objections that I presented regarding all those things with workarounds and by jumping through hoops. I get it. You are are a big fanboy and perhaps are a little or a lot peeved about getting an EV early and having to suffer through the inconvenience and frustration. Maybe you’re upset that you don’t have a Tesla since even though Tesla’s aren’t ready for prime time they are years ahead of other EV makes today. If you own an EV that is not a Tesla it is really really inconvenient and frustrating. You’ve told several stories about this. You really want to rationalize your decision when you know and have admitted in this thread how painful, time-consuming, inconvenient and frustrating it has been for you. I like EVs but I smart enough to understand that as of today they are inconvenient and frustrating. Will they get better in a few years? Yes. Most likely. Battery tech improvements will drive down prices and improve mileage. Infrastructure improvements will also take place. These things take time. Today EVs are inconvenient and frustrating. You know it. You’ve told us so on this thread.
You sound like one of those people who never had kids but you insist on doling out parenting advice.
Anyone still reading this knows I've won the argument because I have real experience and I know what I'm talking about.
And if you buy a gas car you are an idiot.
Fat hurts wrote:
jumbo shrimp wrote:
Wow. Such anger. Lol. Nope not lying about anything and you know that. You’ve even tried to overcome objections that I presented regarding all those things with workarounds and by jumping through hoops. I get it. You are are a big fanboy and perhaps are a little or a lot peeved about getting an EV early and having to suffer through the inconvenience and frustration. Maybe you’re upset that you don’t have a Tesla since even though Tesla’s aren’t ready for prime time they are years ahead of other EV makes today. If you own an EV that is not a Tesla it is really really inconvenient and frustrating. You’ve told several stories about this. You really want to rationalize your decision when you know and have admitted in this thread how painful, time-consuming, inconvenient and frustrating it has been for you. I like EVs but I smart enough to understand that as of today they are inconvenient and frustrating. Will they get better in a few years? Yes. Most likely. Battery tech improvements will drive down prices and improve mileage. Infrastructure improvements will also take place. These things take time. Today EVs are inconvenient and frustrating. You know it. You’ve told us so on this thread.
You sound like one of those people who never had kids but you insist on doling out parenting advice.
Anyone still reading this knows I've won the argument because I have real experience and I know what I'm talking about.
And if you buy a gas car you are an idiot.
You have presented some good information and so have other posters. Not sure too many people care who "wins" the discussion, but calling people with a differing viewpoint that have different wants and needs an "idiot" will win you little in the eyes of most who read your posts.
L L wrote:
Audi is working on cool sounds for their EVs.
I like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO_FV0A_YTs
Yea, EV's are now required to make noise at low speeds to warn pedestrians.
What they say about noise and driver feedback is true. When I first drove my EV off the lot after buying it, I got on the highway and looked down at the speedometer. I was shocked to see I was doing 85 MPH. It was so quiet and smooth. I never realized how much I relied on engine noise to know how fast I was going.
I very much prefer the peace and quiet on a long trip, but now I make sure to use cruise control and Waze to avoid getting a ticket.
Help me to understand? wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
You sound like one of those people who never had kids but you insist on doling out parenting advice.
Anyone still reading this knows I've won the argument because I have real experience and I know what I'm talking about.
And if you buy a gas car you are an idiot.
You have presented some good information and so have other posters. Not sure too many people care who "wins" the discussion, but calling people with a differing viewpoint that have different wants and needs an "idiot" will win you little in the eyes of most who read your posts.
Glad I could help.
Fat hurts wrote:
jumbo shrimp wrote:
Wow. Such anger. Lol. Nope not lying about anything and you know that. You’ve even tried to overcome objections that I presented regarding all those things with workarounds and by jumping through hoops. I get it. You are are a big fanboy and perhaps are a little or a lot peeved about getting an EV early and having to suffer through the inconvenience and frustration. Maybe you’re upset that you don’t have a Tesla since even though Tesla’s aren’t ready for prime time they are years ahead of other EV makes today. If you own an EV that is not a Tesla it is really really inconvenient and frustrating. You’ve told several stories about this. You really want to rationalize your decision when you know and have admitted in this thread how painful, time-consuming, inconvenient and frustrating it has been for you. I like EVs but I smart enough to understand that as of today they are inconvenient and frustrating. Will they get better in a few years? Yes. Most likely. Battery tech improvements will drive down prices and improve mileage. Infrastructure improvements will also take place. These things take time. Today EVs are inconvenient and frustrating. You know it. You’ve told us so on this thread.
You sound like one of those people who never had kids but you insist on doling out parenting advice.
Anyone still reading this knows I've won the argument because I have real experience and I know what I'm talking about.
And if you buy a gas car you are an idiot.
Yes. You have done a great job with your workarounds and jumping through hoops to get simple things done explaining to everyone that EVs are not ready for prime time. Over and over again you have ‘won’ the argument that EVs are frustrating and inconvenient. You have done a great job. I don’t think you realized it but you have. Right now EVs are frustrating and inconvenient. Things will be better in a few years. Battery tech will improve range and drive prices down. Infrastructure will be built out to help support EVs. Now they are inconvenient and frustrating just as you have told us.
jumbo shrimp wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Wow. I feel your anger in that post. Listen. All through this thread you have admitted over and over through the workarounds and hoops you have to jump through with a gas car that they are frustrating and inconvenient. (Not to mention dangerous, expensive, and unreliable)
It's too bad you are stuck with your slow granny-mobile. It's too bad that you didn't buy an EV years ago so you would realize that you should buy Tesla stock at $86 a share like I did.
But maybe you are starting to come around now. It sounds like you at least admit that a Tesla is better than a gas car. But take it from 97% of all EV owners who will tell you that any EV is better than a gas car.
If you buy a gas car you are an idiot.
Lol. Cute. Listen. I like EVs too. They will be great one day. But I’m smart enough to realize that they are not ready for prime time right now. Stock prices, 0-60 time , spinning rims and the such have nothing to do with them not being frustrating and inconvenient. You know that though. Congrats on buying a stock low but you know that has nothing to do with today’s EVs being frustrating and inconvenient. You bought low and they are still inconvenient and frustrating. Lol. I’m right on this and you have admitted as much throughout this thread by trying to overcome people’s objections with frustrating and inconvenient workarounds. Will EVs get less frustrating and more convenient in a few years? Most likely yes. I hope they will. But for now they are inconvenient and frustrating. You know this. You’ve already told us so several times.
Mass adoption is really gonna require infrastructure for people who live in cities and park on the streets or otherwise don't have access to some form of overnight charging.
The Audi CEO actually made an interesting argument for why they think range will actually decrease in the future. It's a bit avant garde but I kinda see the point - once infrastructure is up and you can recharge in 5 minutes or less then there's no need for a lot of big, expensive, heavy batteries. That seems like at least a decade or more away.
The other problem I have with EVs right now is that they mostly seem like appliances. With the exception of a few high end models like the e-Tron GT and the Taycan, it seems like EVs are marketed to people who hate driving and really wish they didn't have to (hence a big push for things like auto-pilot and a whole bunch of in car accessories and screens). Anyone who thinks a Chevy Bolt is "actually a really great car!" is probably someone who doesn't really care much for cars to begin with.
Dr. Racket wrote:
jumbo shrimp wrote:
Lol. Cute. Listen. I like EVs too. They will be great one day. But I’m smart enough to realize that they are not ready for prime time right now. Stock prices, 0-60 time , spinning rims and the such have nothing to do with them not being frustrating and inconvenient. You know that though. Congrats on buying a stock low but you know that has nothing to do with today’s EVs being frustrating and inconvenient. You bought low and they are still inconvenient and frustrating. Lol. I’m right on this and you have admitted as much throughout this thread by trying to overcome people’s objections with frustrating and inconvenient workarounds. Will EVs get less frustrating and more convenient in a few years? Most likely yes. I hope they will. But for now they are inconvenient and frustrating. You know this. You’ve already told us so several times.
Mass adoption is really gonna require infrastructure for people who live in cities and park on the streets or otherwise don't have access to some form of overnight charging.
The Audi CEO actually made an interesting argument for why they think range will actually decrease in the future. It's a bit avant garde but I kinda see the point - once infrastructure is up and you can recharge in 5 minutes or less then there's no need for a lot of big, expensive, heavy batteries. That seems like at least a decade or more away.
The other problem I have with EVs right now is that they mostly seem like appliances. With the exception of a few high end models like the e-Tron GT and the Taycan, it seems like EVs are marketed to people who hate driving and really wish they didn't have to (hence a big push for things like auto-pilot and a whole bunch of in car accessories and screens). Anyone who thinks a Chevy Bolt is "actually a really great car!" is probably someone who doesn't really care much for cars to begin with.
Motor Trend made the Chevy Bolt its "Car of the Year" in 2017. Do you think Motor Trend doesn't really care much for cars?
You are correct that mass adoption will require a lot more charging options. If everyone was able to magically switch to EVs today we wouldn't have enough chargers. But as I've said before, it's really easy to build out the infrastructure. A charging station is little more than a glorified extension cord. And you can put a charging station almost anywhere.
The largest obstacle to mass adoption is battery production. We can't build EV batteries fast enough to meet demand. And that's a lot harder to do.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/108-migrants-released-border-patrol-texas-positive-coronavirusHelp me to understand? wrote:
Biden Fans- Please explain to me how illegal immigrants with positive covid tests are being allowed to mingle in to the United States? How does this make sense?
This is Biden's way to get get these illegals to vote democrat.
Biden is sure winning the hearts of the National Guard in DC. He has been treating them like royalty, right dems?
Fat hurts wrote:
Dr. Racket wrote:
Mass adoption is really gonna require infrastructure for people who live in cities and park on the streets or otherwise don't have access to some form of overnight charging.
The Audi CEO actually made an interesting argument for why they think range will actually decrease in the future. It's a bit avant garde but I kinda see the point - once infrastructure is up and you can recharge in 5 minutes or less then there's no need for a lot of big, expensive, heavy batteries. That seems like at least a decade or more away.
The other problem I have with EVs right now is that they mostly seem like appliances. With the exception of a few high end models like the e-Tron GT and the Taycan, it seems like EVs are marketed to people who hate driving and really wish they didn't have to (hence a big push for things like auto-pilot and a whole bunch of in car accessories and screens). Anyone who thinks a Chevy Bolt is "actually a really great car!" is probably someone who doesn't really care much for cars to begin with.
Motor Trend made the Chevy Bolt its "Car of the Year" in 2017. Do you think Motor Trend doesn't really care much for cars?
You are correct that mass adoption will require a lot more charging options. If everyone was able to magically switch to EVs today we wouldn't have enough chargers. But as I've said before, it's really easy to build out the infrastructure. A charging station is little more than a glorified extension cord. And you can put a charging station almost anywhere.
The largest obstacle to mass adoption is battery production. We can't build EV batteries fast enough to meet demand. And that's a lot harder to do.
Motor Trend's #1 audience is people who don't care about cars but who still want to click the top Google search result for a car 5 minutes before they arrive at the dealer.
They gave the award to a Honda Civic and Toyota Camry in the aughts when carrying your frugal econo-sh!t box cross was as popular as carrying the EV cross is now.
This past year they gave it to the Mercedes E-class which is exclusively popular with people who own highly unscrupulous small businesses (usually in "construction" or "general contracting"). I'd say at least 75% of those cars bought in the past year were done so with PPP funds
EV infrastructure is still not ready for prime time and Biden is senile.