MikeM the PR shil wrote:
Ah, MikeM from the UK-based Freud PR firm is back in action. Good to have you back, mate.
You do know you will not win. As long as your firm is spending Salazar's money, then it is all good.
Still in OKC. Still studying biostats at ouhsc and teaching at OCCC. Good to have you anonymous person who spouts off nonsense and doesn't like facts. Thanks for being so kind to respond.
And maybe the moon will crash to earth tonight.
Man, there is some crazy theories floating around here.
I don't know if I believe Kara.
So, you1. are a longtime lurker and first-time (or close) commenter. Amazing how many of those have popped up here recently.2. completely agree with someone else, yet feel compelled to repeat what he says point by point.3. claim to be prepared to accept that the NOP has been home to doping is enough evidence comes to light.4. don't think Adam and Kara have any such evidence.5. think that Adam and Kara are operating from a platform of resentment.6. use single quotation marks where U.S. posters would use double ones.This formula has gotten really old. You guys need a fresh script.And wejo and rojo, if this isn't a wake-up call for you to quit running this place like an unaccredited mental hospital and start requiring people to register in order to post, I don't know what it would take. There has never been a useful argument against such a thing, and now you have a 130-decibel argument in favor of it.
correct wrote:
I always read these threads, but I never comment. I feel compelled to now though. I agree with whistleblower101 - I just have to say that this all smacks of a witch hunt to me. Kara Goucher offers zero evidence, and her testimony is very weak. I'm prepared to admit I"m wrong if more evidence comes to light - NOP may be dopers - but I don't see any proof here, and she and her husband come across as sour runners who've had their day, and resent it. They don't offer any evidence of drug use, and nothing has been corroborated or 'seen' ever. I can't understand what the 'story' is. Where is the evidence? No-one has seen any doping directly - it is all just innuendo and 'circumstantial' evidence at best at the moment.
BTW, that asthma test (one of Goucher's friends complained about Salazar setting her up with so she could get some asthma drugs) should be taken off the list of 'infractions' - isn't it standard to do some exercise before being tested for exercise-induced asthma? Can someone enlighten me here?
Whistleblower101 wrote:I feel embarrassed for Kara.
Wearing that shirt "runners against dopers". Did she actually accuse NOP
of doping? Or was it a message for Gaitlin.
Complaining that this week has been hard on her. Well that is what you signed yourself up for when you went to BBC. Did she think it would make her life easier no. I hope she realised it was hard on NOP too, they still got the job done.
The problem is if we are to believe Kara that NOP are dopers, she has to come forward and admit she doped too. Let's be honest her best years were in the project and she was one of the favourites. Would she really be missing out on the good stuff?
Gouchers are coming across as sour grapes.
Look outtt! wrote:
And maybe the moon will crash to earth tonight.
Man, there is some crazy theories floating around here.
I don't think it is a crazy theory at all. Look at all her "I love you" and "I will always love you" emails with Salazar at the time that he was making her leave because he couldn't stand Adam anymore.
As far the Goucher "allegations" there is no there "there" unless the they clean about straight doping, or Kara admits an affair with Salazar and perhaps even demands Salazar comply with a paternity test on her son.
Look outtt! wrote:
And maybe the moon will crash to earth tonight.
Man, there is some crazy theories floating around here.
maybe because she still love's salazar or whatever she said
she wants salazar to come clean himself and admit the truth rather than releasing major evidence ...just a crazy theory though lol
Body Language wrote:
Kara's body language was that of someone telling the truth. Whether you believe her version or not means absolutely nothing. The contrast in body language with Mo, Centro and Rupp is striking. There is no comparison. The boys are uncomfortable in their interviews.
The most convincing liars are those that don't know they are lying...
Let's Sociopath wrote:
Body Language wrote:Kara's body language was that of someone telling the truth. Whether you believe her version or not means absolutely nothing. The contrast in body language with Mo, Centro and Rupp is striking. There is no comparison. The boys are uncomfortable in their interviews.
The most convincing liars are those that don't know they are lying...
Great line! Where did you pick that one up?
Seriously, it explains so much. And is just so....what was that word again...oh yeah, brilliant!
LOL
Cherry picked or not, Alberto has provided documentation to argue his side of things.
I'm waiting for his accusers to provide something more than just claims of what they saw. Nothing will happen legally if their yapping is all they have for evidence.
This was a stupid statement unless she is willing to name who is being threated and by who than this means nothing, just talk to make people assume she is being threated by NOP
provideproof wrote:
Cherry picked or not, Alberto has provided documentation to argue his side of things..
So, he lied to buy himself some time. Glad you see this as a credit to the man.
We'll see how well this works once the gloves come off Kara et al. It's going to be painful for the accusers at first, when they finally admit that they not only saw doping but took part in it. But that's exactly how it's going to be. But once more than a small handful come forward and take this step, it'll be all downhill for Salazar, because dealing with a pile of adversaries who no longer have anything to lose is never a happy thing.
"Still in OKC. Still studying biostats at ouhsc and teaching at OCCC."
And I don't use a registered name, and I spent the entire first few days of last week, during working hours, defending Salazar's manifest.
Recognizing You wrote:
Let's Sociopath wrote:The most convincing liars are those that don't know they are lying...
Great line! Where did you pick that one up?
Seriously, it explains so much. And is just so....what was that word again...oh yeah, brilliant!
LOL
My owner of Freud came up with that one. :-)
I'm not too bright and I'm getting confused, was Al hitting on to Kara sometime in the past or is this just the rampant imagination for some posters, what's really going on?, someone please explain.
heysus wrote:
MikeM wrote:Exactly. It feels more like a soap opera at this point. I feel like zero allegations of doping are true. What seems more likely is that he used supplements and got word from USADA/WADA before doing so, but people are just upset at how the NOP went about doing things. USADA/WADA are investigating all allegations, as they should, but Alberto has always stated he would use any and all means necessary to gain an edge and it looks like he has. Other don't like it and view it as shady and he doesn't. He also seems to rub people the wrong way. So although 17 ( or 30 people) seem high, given his longevity in the sport lets say since 2000 he has pissed about 2 people off each year so much that they are coming forward with things they didn't like or had to think 2x about. I am sure they weren't all aware whether he sought guidance from WADA/USADA, so they brought it to them and we are now finding out he had.
This makes more sense than anything else I have read on the topic. 100% in agreement, this is the entire story in a nutshell.
I was thinking the same. After all this, all we have is NOP possibly pushing the boundaries, but checking first that what they did was legal. No failed tests, no illegal substances. Some might think that is morally wrong (using TUEs), but it's not breaking the rules.
I asked my wife, who's a PhD in pharmacology and works for a large American drug company, about this. She said, firstly, a corticosteroid such as Prednisone in smallish doses like those we're discussing doses wouldn't make a difference to performance.
Also, if you have an allergy, taking Prednisone is perfectly OK as it brings you back to normal. It doesn't push you ahead of normal, but brings you back to where it should be.
Of course, in those circumstances, taking Prednisone IS improving your performance. I asked her whether this should make illegal. Her opinion (and she is a scientist not a rule-maker) is that it is not improving performance beyond what you are personally capable of - but bringing you back to where you would be without the allergy - it is perfectly OK.
Seriously, look at the first two or three pages of this discussion and its all reasoned discussion about how Goucher sounds truthful, with a handful of NOP fanboy skeptics. Then all of a sudden the Freud team clocks in and it's all complete BS like Kara is a wannabe hobby jogger, Kara is a psychopath, Kara is a crack whore, plus the typical smokescreens about no hard evidence blah blah blah. Then all the lazy drones who just repeat another post with names like "Great post!" , "I agree", - how often did you ever see this on LRC before now?
So I have two guestions:
1. Do the lazy drones who just repeat another post get paid as much as the ones writing something new?
2. What was with the break you took this weekend? Union work rules? Alberto renegotiating his contract? Did he cut you off, and then panic and have you start up again?
Seemed like a lot of softball questions from what sounded like members of the British (tabloid) press, who have been eager to demonize Salazar. My sense is that there\\\'s some very grey area in the professional and personal relationship between Salazar and the Gouchers, lots of hurt feelings which are keeping both sides from owning up to their mistakes and responsibilities in what seems a bad break up.
"Correct" wrote almost the exact same line under a different name in another thread about being a long time lurker who suddenly got the urge to start posting. Plus he uses the "witch hunt" key words that all Freud drones have been instructed to do. The thinking is, if you repeat something enough times people will start to believe it's true. If those people happen to be mindless sheep anyway.
KMB wrote:
So, you
1. are a longtime lurker and first-time (or close) commenter. Amazing how many of those have popped up here recently.
2. completely agree with someone else, yet feel compelled to repeat what he says point by point.
3. claim to be prepared to accept that the NOP has been home to doping is enough evidence comes to light.
4. don't think Adam and Kara have any such evidence.
5. think that Adam and Kara are operating from a platform of resentment.
6. use single quotation marks where U.S. posters would use double ones.
This formula has gotten really old. You guys need a fresh script.
And wejo and rojo, if this isn't a wake-up call for you to quit running this place like an unaccredited mental hospital and start requiring people to register in order to post, I don't know what it would take. There has never been a useful argument against such a thing, and now you have a 130-decibel argument in favor of it.
correct wrote:I always read these threads, but I never comment. I feel compelled to now though. I agree with whistleblower101 - I just have to say that this all smacks of a witch hunt to me. Kara Goucher offers zero evidence, and her testimony is very weak. I'm prepared to admit I"m wrong if more evidence comes to light - NOP may be dopers - but I don't see any proof here, and she and her husband come across as sour runners who've had their day, and resent it. They don't offer any evidence of drug use, and nothing has been corroborated or 'seen' ever. I can't understand what the 'story' is. Where is the evidence? No-one has seen any doping directly - it is all just innuendo and 'circumstantial' evidence at best at the moment.
BTW, that asthma test (one of Goucher's friends complained about Salazar setting her up with so she could get some asthma drugs) should be taken off the list of 'infractions' - isn't it standard to do some exercise before being tested for exercise-induced asthma? Can someone enlighten me here?
Haven't read through the thread, but have to say after watching that I definitely believe that SHE at least believes she's telling the truth and isn't afraid to tell the truth to the proper authorities.
Does she know the truth? That remains to be seen, but I certainly would put my money on her over Salazar, Rupp or Mo.
After seeing her talk like that I have to say the NOP is likely to be on it's last legs this season.
Yes, you nailed it.
If they all cheated, then somebody needs to be the first to admit it ....but right now, none of these narcissists are !
It amazes me.
I think that in cycling, when you are done, you are done.
In running, these folks want to hang on....
Forever...
So they can't fess up.
This is the first generation of runners who are early millennial a who want it this way ....
Right now Kara goucher sounds like a raving loon .
I managed over 35 nurses, all of whom came from train wreck lives, teen mothers, fathers abandoned them, real men haters, scratch the surface and real anger overflows.
That's precisely what I see in Kara Goucher , anger being boiled up, drama exploding ....
Things aren't going her way and the world is going to pay...
It's a very very scary interview.
She needs some help.