"Michael Vick Ran a 4.2 40!!!!!"

You're not accounting for Mo's reaction time. The clock at the combine doesn't start until their feet come off of the blocks.

Running in a combine is obviously not the same as running a track race.

On the football side, look at the ridiculous hammering Maurice Clarett has gotten over running "slow" 40's. Trung Candidate ran like 0.15 seconds faster than Jamal Lewis the year they went pro. Who would you rather have on your football team? Who has the single game rushing record?

I don't believe in 40's in this 4.3, 4.1 b.s. because seriously think about that u people have named the many many factors in which the combine has the great advantage over sprinting. Being from Canada i have talked to Ben Johnson, it has been proven the top 4 in that WR run in Seoul were doped Carl Lewis and all. It also doesn't surprise me that these football players which God awfully wrong 40's. Lets name just name some advantages to the 40...STOPWATCH monster difference, the timer starts when the runner does, thus the timer reacts to the runner, the beginning stance, the inconsistency of when the starter stops the watch when the runners before or after the line, and who in gods names gonna run a 4.3 during a game. I still believe Bo, Neon Deion and that little KC reciever ran very very fast FOR A FOOTBALL PLAYER and I know Bo was a sprinter and made it to NCAA blah blah (though hes's my favorite athlete) but they run 10's not 9's! i find it hard to believe a football player running anything lower than a 10.4-.5 100m but as these 40 times show my theories wrong. The NFL should use Electronic timing and would put our thoughts to rest of this stupid idea 4.2. And PS i hate how they took away Ben Johnson's record yet they find Montgomery and i believe Maurice Greene of doping and their records still stand? & Carl Lewis' "drive for Five" was "driven" by dope thats, is brutal.

Here is a little perspective on Vick’s 4.2 forty time. The forty time was actually 4.25 based on the average of three runs while at Virginia Tech Winter testing. At Tech they hand-time off first movement. During Vick’s time at Tech he played with a Wide Receiver named Andre Davis, now with the Cleveland Browns, who ran in the 4.35 range in the same tests. In 1997 he ran 4.43

http://www.hokiesports.com/football/players/2001/and.davis.html

During his time at Tech he was a member of both the indoor and outdoor track teams as a sprinter. Davis holds school records and won several A10 conference championships during his time at Tech. Here are his record times while at Tech:

Indoor

55m 6.30 André Davis 2000

60m 6.72 André Davis 2000

200m 21.16 André Davis 2000

Outdoor

100m 10.24 André Davis 1999

200m 20.78 André Davis 1999

http://www.hokiesports.com/track/records.school.html

Hope this helps.

i broke 6 in the 40 once but I think that was a bit fast.

Jerome Mathis, who placed 2nd in the 200 in NCAA's 2 years ago, just recently set the fastest time ever recorded at the NFL complex......4.2 FAT......so yes, the NFL does use electric timing.

Actually, I believe they use motion-triggered FAT, meaning that it goes on the athete's motion rather than a gun, giving a reaction time of zero. A number of NFL players and prospects work out on our track, and they have a set up they use that works that way. It's triggered when the athlete starts and stopped when the torso breaks a light beam.

Michael Bennett of the Vikings has run 10.0 in the 100m. I believe he was in the 4x100m relay pool prior to entering the NFL 4 years ago.

kab2168 wrote:

Here is a little perspective on Vick’s 4.2 forty time. The forty time was actually 4.25 based on the average of three runs while at Virginia Tech Winter testing. At Tech they hand-time off first movement.

So Vick's time is actually MUCH slower than claimed. The conversion from hand-timed to fully automatic is 0.24-0.28 when the athlete responds to the gun. But for hand timing off first first movement the conversion is doubled (because the athlete is not responding to the gun, and the timer is responding to the athlete). So you add about 0.5 second.

Also, the NFL's "electronic" timing is not the same as Fully Automatic Timing in track, since the electronic timing is responding to the athlete, and the athlete is not responding to the gun. This is not FAT. The NFL version appears to be roughly as (in)accurate as hand timing in track.

Regarding Michael Bennett, the fastest time I found for him is 10.22 in Wisconsin, which is where he also ran 4X100. Track and Field News doesn't even list him, which might mean that the time wasn't electronic. I'm very sure that if he ever ran anywhere near a legitimate 10.00, they would have found his results. It seems like every time someone makes a claim about a superfast NFL guy, the result ends up being something like this.

bullshit + bullshit = more bullshit

Bennett has run 10.0, it was slightly wind aided though.

+4.8 is more than slight.

174 10.00 +2.3 Tim Montgomery USA 28.01.75 2 Eugene 25.06.1999

174 10.00 +4.8 Michael Bennett USA 13.08.78 1r1 Austin 06.05.2000

174 10.00 +2.6 Donovan Bailey CAN 16.12.67 1 Baton Rouge 19.05.2000

174 10.00 +2.9 Curtis Johnson USA 24.12.73 1r1 Modesto

the point is the man can run 10 low,

My point was if Andre Davis runs a 4.35 40 while at Tech using the same timing method, and then runs track at fairly decent times (10.24 100m), MV might have a little speed. Not saying he can run a great 100m, he doesn't have that stamina, but I suspect he could post a good 55 or 60m.

im the fastest ever~~!!!!

you guys are all dumbasses

I can't beleive no one has linked to this yet:

"Track coaches go to Pro Timing Days, and they see scouts starting their stopwatches with their thumb, which has a slower reaction time than the index finger. They see them crowding the finish line and anticipating – guessing, basically – when someone will cross it. They see running surfaces that weren't professionally measured or leveled. They see no starter's gun, no automatic timing device, no wind gauge.

Grizzled track coaches love to say that the "clock doesn't lie." Well, it does in football.

Say someone clocks a hand-timed 4.35 in an NFL workout.

The accepted standard to convert a hand-timed event to its automatically timed equivalent is to round up to the nearest tenth of a second – in this case 4.4 – and add .24 seconds. Now you're at 4.64.

Most football 40s don't go on a starter's pistol but on an athlete's motion. The average reaction time among elite sprinters (from the gun to the moment they exert pressure on the starting block's electronic pads) is about .15 seconds; for a football player with little track experience it probably would be closer to .2. Add that in, and you have 4.84.

Now say it's a breezy day and you're running with a tailwind. Say it's 10 mph. Accepted track tables say that would provide a .07-second advantage over 40 yards. Add it in, and your 4.35 is suddenly a 4.91.

There's no shame in running a 4.9-second 40, of course. World-class sprinters get a bad start or get a cold day, and they go through 40 yards in the high 4s, too.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050418/news_1s18forty.html

TIMES ARENT LEGIT WHEN THEY GET A 10 YARD FLY ZONE

nate robinson wrote:

.... Being from Canada i have talked to Ben Johnson, it has been proven the top 4 in that WR run in Seoul were doped Carl Lewis and all. ... And PS i hate how they took away Ben Johnson's record yet they find Montgomery and i believe Maurice Greene of doping and their records still stand? & Carl Lewis' "drive for Five" was "driven" by dope thats, is brutal.

Where is the proof?

Oh my GOD are you stupid!