Dyestat shutting down?

Time moves Times wrote:

No gurantees exist. Microsoft bought Yammer this week for $1.2B in a desperate move to integrate Yammer's private social media servers with Office. Will Microsoft be able roadblock twitter/facebook/... and save Office from the Cloud ? Most have failed. It's easy to predict this will fail, too easy in fact.

Brojos... please get rid of this clown. I actually want to know what is happening with dyestat and this dude is ruining it. The pathetic thing is he thinks he is funny.

Few things and pardon me, I like bullet points...

1) To answer your question, the FloTrack-MileSplit thing is an ad deal at its core; however, I think you will see some subtle changes, collaborations, and teaming up on coverage of major meets going forward.

2) I am with you, Wejo. I am just shaking my head reading these messages. You are setting traffic records, killing it, and continuing to do a great job in your pro niche. We are up 30% YOY with and peaked out at over 1.5 million uniques, 3.4M visits and 27M page views in a month. Sites like ours are hardly being replaced by social media. We all have our own spin on things and strengths and are obviously filling a void that is very much still needed if we're both setting record numbers (as is FloTrack... I can't speak for ESPNHS or RunnerSpace).

3) Continuing off of that... DyeStat was doing a great job with coverage. They are a victim of one thing: ESPN's lack of understanding of how to serve the audience. They blew it.

4) I rarely come on LetsRun's message board and when I do I am always reminded why I don't come. Because people with no real knowledge of anything acting like they are experts. And how any time I see anyone mention MileSplit they get bashed and say they are just us self-promoting. I came on this topic earlier and didn't so much as MENTION us... I gave my sincere appreciation and lament for my colleagues and friends at DyeStat who are losing their jobs and what it means to the community. To think that anyone who might think that MileSplit has a great site must be self-promoting shills is just either malicious or out of touch. Again see our traffic, which is bigger than any running site in the country except Runner's World.

5) Finally.. Your statements are not only out of touch with reality, but are incredibly insulting to me, Weldon and Robert, Ross (RunnerSpace), Mark (FloTrack), John Dye and all of the rest of us killing ourselves every day to elevate and bring better coverage to this sport.

^ agree 100%.

People want one website to go to for results. Kids & parents love seeing pictures, articles, stats, etc.

Social media sites don't offer this.

Local xc and track websites have great traffic. There is certainly a huge open door if you do it right.

In any case we appreciate the legacy dyestat.com, trackshark.com, trackwire fax services, etc. has left us. I remember dialing on a Hays 103 Modem to log into results bulletin boards. Them were the good old days.

I knew it was screwed back when they changed their whole site. People were used to it..it never was the same. Same with Footlocker. Came up with the new nxn thing or whatever.

I won't miss Dyestat. Sometimes people grow up.

muchacho wrote:

I won't miss Dyestat. Sometimes people grow up.

Obviously Dyestat is geared towards the high school runner/parents so most people outgrow it at a certain point.

However, from an editorially standpoint it is/was the best place to find out what was happening in high school sphere on a national level.

That looks like it might be going away.

Milesplit does some of the same stuff as dyestat but it's my impression that the milesplit focus is more on the local scene and each state. High school running and most of the traffic that is going to come with it is I bet people checking for local results. So a kid runs some meet most of us have never heard about. He, his parents, rival schools want to see the results. There are probably more than a thousand high school meets a weekend. Each meet is very small but in the aggregate there is a ton of traffic. My assumption is milesplit with all of its local sites does this pretty well. Results will continue to get posted. But for the casual fan of the sport of running who occasionally wants to find out what is going on nationally, the loss of dyestat is a loss.

wejo wrote:

...Wow. I can't tell for certain it's the same guy because he's posting on a secure server. However, I can tell you he is also the guy who posts about Semetic people, Jews, etc... He at least gave me another VPN to ban.

...Track and field may be small potatoes but we're the largest entity that covers pro track and field on a daily basis I believe in the world but for sure in the US.

I realize this may be a little old, but it seems like he is just one of the (many) reasons you should monitor the boards (or use technology?) go help prevent or minimize this kind of stuff. That's why it's hard to take the LR boards too seriously - way too much junk for me at least. Old dyestat wasn't that bad, I don't think.

I wish John would come out of U.S. Federal civil service retirement and advise others on the success of Dyestat. There's plenty of fanboys who are ready to retire from their high school coaching jobs or the US Post Office who now have the time to construct a running website.

Nice points. Just one massive error. You start out by noting that you don't come to these message boards because of the lack of knowledgeable posters etc., and one can assume the low class behavior.

At the end you claim that someone's statements are incredibly insulting to you "Weldon and Robert," who are "killing" yourselves "everyday to elevate and bring better coverage to this sport," yadda.

1) You shouldn't speak for Weldon and Robert.

2) Know of what you speak. Weldon and Robert are NOT killing themselves to elevate anything. THIS BOARD is example numero uno. By not requiring registration and accountability etc., Weldon and Robert have allowed it to systematically DECLINE (not elevate) into at atmosphere of schtick. Basically known as a place to act like immature rude aholes, as much as anything else. GO back through the archives and you will see far into the past there was more intelligent discussion, along with the usual trolling...and that the trolling and ahole-ness just got worse over the years because the Johnson's facilitated it to be and remain a wild and unmonitored board

3) "Killing themselves to "elevate"??? They can't even spell or write coherent sentences all too often. So, nice try at stroking them... I am going to assume you are too busy with your own thing to realize the realities of this site.

4) I.E., for whatever numbers they get, it sure is not because of web design, professional journalism, or great coverage. Their stock in trade is to try and just be first and thorough, and sloppiness be damned.

Thanks.

One thing that really seemed to hurt Dyestat was its decision to try to do video on a greater scale. Flotrack and Runnerspace are already killing it there and even Milesplit is way ahead in that department. Videos on Dyestat usually come out way after a meet is done and its no longer news. I kept going on their site this past weekend and they had one video up as of friday night. Even now (two days after the meet is over) they have hat looks to be eight interviews and no good action footage while other sites have a lot more posted. As soon as they tried to dive into video itmes, the rest of the content on their site seemed to suffer probably because their resources were being stretched too thin.

FT and RS may as well dump their video archive. It's a joke. Their video streams are gimmicky meant for volunteers to get free tickets since they only have a few hundred viewers via free streaming video sites. Sometimes I wonder how the 1% waste their time as FT and RS posers when they would do mankind better in the Peace Corps or Americorps and living as do gooders.

People go to Flotrack and Runnerspace for videos. No one goes to Dyestat for videos.

that's so funny... nobody goes to runners and flotracks. those guys are rich fakers with no audience on the web. we see them looking up rupp's shorts and enjoying his body odor ;-)

You sound like a true dyestat mod. Let's run is the sh!t you can troll, get up to the minute running info, and get info on current events. Having registered names is for n00bs! This place is a Rupp certified source for running info! So suck it! You can have any type of convo you want here, stop being a soft shelled Sally and enjoy the fact they don't delete your posts for being critical, like every other format does

so if espn couldn't make dyestat work then who can ?

cBack up a minute you guys are missing the big picture

The internet division is a small add-on to their magazines and print publications holdings. The decisions were made because of the magazines(8? regional editions) not getting any traction- remember ESPN bought School Sports to kill the competition on the print front. Dyestat was this funny web appendage that came with the School Sports buy in 2008.

John Dye sold to School Sports in '06 and has not had any say in this matter at all. At best he held a consultants' contract with School Sports and doubt he was anymore than a 1099 employee of ESPN certainly he had no imput into the closing of the ESPN HS div.

Some of the people who worked for DyeStat were as immature as some of the kids who posted.

i don't get who they ever thought the audience would be for the ESPN HS magazine...

who is interested in reading about all HS sports across the board? i feel like not even ADs would be. certainly not many high schoolers, if any...