David Roche GOES HOME DEVASTATED from Western States

0.0 chance hes racing Leadville.

on the most recent episode they made a reference to why David didn't have his mental game as ready for western as he did for leadville. he blamed his kids! said he was thinking about kid stuff instead of preparing for how he may feel at western! no bud, you did dumb heat training and hard workouts starting in January for a race at the end of June and constantly said how much better everyone else was than you! it wasn't your kids, it was you! there's plenty of time for family and performance!

Maximum sympathy points from the middle aged moms on YouTube!

Totally forgot that he had a couple kids between Leadville and WS. makes sense.

There’s literally nothing David Roche could do to appease any of you, which is what makes it so much more fun and entertaining to poke the bear lol

He could quit scamming his athletes, stop giving advice on topics he’s not qualified to answer, and tone down the endless self promotion for a start. That would “appease me”. Although it’s really entertaining watching him shove his foot in his mouth over and over, so either way I’m good.

I've heard otherwise

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I haven’t seen evidence of him doing those things (except self promotion, which is tough since every high level athlete kind of does this but I respect them having to to make a career out of sport). People do have opinions that he does those things, but I also know people that know him personally have opinions that he doesn’t scam athletes or give unqualified advice… tough to say for sure! Glad to know you’d stop trolling on the internet if he did those things though. You seem reasonable

I know him very well personally and I can attest that he DOES scam athletes AND gives unqualified advice.

Dang I know him very well personally too and would attest that he doesn’t

Do you think he makes outlandish claims and exaggerates accomplishments? part of the attention here is he makes what many think are crazy claims, unsupported by reality - and there is a certain joy in watching people who talk out their *ss all the time fall short.

I don’t think he makes those claims, but I do think he sets really audacious goals and falls short sometimes. In my experience he and Megan have tons of caveats with everything they say rather than speaking it as truth - but I also totally see where some people who approach it from a place where they already don’t like him might not understand it that way too and respect that we have different opinions!!

Hey Claude, how could Dave appease all of us?

”Here are some approaches David Roche could consider to reduce criticism on LetsRun:
Engagement strategies:
• Avoid directly responding to or calling out critics, as this tends to escalate tensions
• Focus on sharing substantive content about training methodology rather than personal achievements
• Be more measured in claims about fitness levels or race predictions
• Acknowledge when things don’t go as planned rather than maintaining constant positivity
Content approach:
• Share detailed training data and rationale behind methods
• Be more transparent about failures and learning experiences
• Focus discussions on coaching philosophy rather than personal performance
• Engage constructively with legitimate technical questions about training
Communication style:
• Tone down overly enthusiastic messaging that some perceive as inauthentic
• Be more humble about accomplishments and predictions
• Acknowledge criticism where it has merit
• Focus on helping others rather than self-promotion
That said, it’s worth noting that some level of criticism is probably inevitable for any public figure in the running community, especially one who coaches others and makes bold claims. The most effective approach might be to focus on delivering results and letting performance speak for itself while avoiding unnecessary controversies.”

Is he really? It wouldn't surprise me if he did race simply because he needs the ego boost of a win in a field with zero professional contenders. But it is a bad idea. He hasn't done enough volume and he should be building up his mileage for Javelina. If he doesn't do well there he won't be able to shock the world next year at Western States. Because he ain't placing in Black Canyon or any of the other competitive Golden Ticket races

hell yeah

One of my friends talked to David at the expo today, he is confirmed running

Prediction: he blows up and limps it in at 16:30

Bet you couldn’t run a 16:30 lol