Nobody would have got killed in this war if EVERY SINGLE PERSON in Ukraine would have left before it started.
You're being ridiculous, we'd still have Russian smokers inadvertently blowing up their own ammunition dumps and aircraft even if Ukraine fully evacuated to the North Pole.
If Ukraine would just have evacuated then nobody would have got killed. They had plenty of warning.
The smartest thing to do is always evacuate. Even if that means moving to the South or North Pole. It's simple.
There's no reason why any of this should be going on. Russia is clearly way bigger. If a bigger country wants to do this to a smaller country then the ENTIRE smaller country meaning every SINGLE person in that country should leave.
If anything at this point the USA should be helping Ukraine to evacuate to a safer place.
Nobody would have got killed in this war if EVERY SINGLE PERSON in Ukraine would have left before it started.
And the people that didn't have the money to leave should have been funded to leave. Not to fight back. Fighting back is worthless. There's no winner or loser in a fight.
The problem here is that the US does not care to save Ukrainian lives. They just want a NATO base and geopolitical influence zone right next to Russian border. Therefore this war will go untill last Ukranian soldier drops dead on the battlefield. Then Polish and British will take over from there.
No they care. Just not doing it the right way in my mind.
Funding should go 100 percent towards evacuation and leaving and funding every single Ukrainian to leave to a safer place.. Not encouraging them to fight back.
You do realize that Russia, not America, is the one trying to annex parts of another country in a failed attempt to rebuild an empire, don’t you?
If Ukraine would just have evacuated then nobody would have got killed. They had plenty of warning.
The smartest thing to do is always evacuate. Even if that means moving to the South or North Pole. It's simple.
There's no reason why any of this should be going on. Russia is clearly way bigger. If a bigger country wants to do this to a smaller country then the ENTIRE smaller country meaning every SINGLE person in that country should leave.
If anything at this point the USA should be helping Ukraine to evacuate to a safer place.
Nobody would have got killed in this war if EVERY SINGLE PERSON in Ukraine would have left before it started.
And the people that didn't have the money to leave should have been funded to leave. Not to fight back. Fighting back is worthless. There's no winner or loser in a fight.
What an entirely myopic way to view this. If Russia didn't attack a sovereign country there would have been no deaths. You are blaming the victim.
NATO doesn't need NATO troops on the Russian border. NATO is a defensive alliance, not an offensive alliance. NATO was created to cause pause to the Soviet Union to stay behind the Iron Curtain. That was it. Pure and simple.
People who think otherwise, are entitled to their opinions. But I think their opinions are misguided for reason that remain unclear to me.
I don't think anyone person today has any clear knowledge of the death toll of Russian soldiers, Ukraine soldiers and civilians kill thus far.
I'd be willing to guess close to 120,000 on all sides. Plus around 700,000 wounded. Know one will know for sure until the war is over. And even then the numbers might be sketchy.
And if those 120,000 people or so were given funding to evacuate instead of fight then they would still be here today. Those were potential future lawyers, scientists... etc.. Damn that sucks.
Well I guess you would have to split that in half or so depending on the exact ratio. So if those 60,000 or so Ukrainians would just have had the proper funding and a proper place to evacuate to then they would still be alive..
I have no clue why any Ukrainian is still there right now. Makes no sense to me. Evacuation to a safer place with the proper funding is always the best option.
Has it occurred to you that the Ukrainians might consider moving to the South Pole might be a losing proposition as well. As for other countries, no other country could take them all, so you are suggesting the breakup of country and culture, moving the people to a place where they don't know the language or have jobs.
And playing this out long-term, you are telling every large country that if they want another country, they should take it. And the rest of the world will pay to move them elsewhere.
Gee, I wonder why no one else thought of this genius idea.
And if those 120,000 people or so were given funding to evacuate instead of fight then they would still be here today. Those were potential future lawyers, scientists... etc.. Damn that sucks.
Well I guess you would have to split that in half or so depending on the exact ratio. So if those 60,000 or so Ukrainians would just have had the proper funding and a proper place to evacuate to then they would still be alive..
I have no clue why any Ukrainian is still there right now. Makes no sense to me. Evacuation to a safer place with the proper funding is always the best option.
Has it occurred to you that the Ukrainians might consider moving to the South Pole might be a losing proposition as well. As for other countries, no other country could take them all, so you are suggesting the breakup of country and culture, moving the people to a place where they don't know the language or have jobs.
And playing this out long-term, you are telling every large country that if they want another country, they should take it. And the rest of the world will pay to move them elsewhere.
Gee, I wonder why no one else thought of this genius idea.
If there is a war and you find yourself on the side of Putin, China, North Korea and Iran and against all the Democracies of NATO, you might want to ask yourself, "Am I really on the right and good side".
Just a thought.
Can you elaborate why you would think so?
Most of the Germans during the WWII were thinking that they're absolutely right in their philosophy.
Just for the record, ca. 40% of the world think they're right and the US + the EU are wrong.
Hey! Did you figure out how many Ukrainian civilians LNR and DNR forces killed in the last 8 years? How many did they kill with Russian weapons? Don’t forget the 298 on MH 17. How about in the last 8 months?
If Ukraine would just have evacuated then nobody would have got killed. They had plenty of warning.
The smartest thing to do is always evacuate. Even if that means moving to the South or North Pole. It's simple.
There's no reason why any of this should be going on. Russia is clearly way bigger. If a bigger country wants to do this to a smaller country then the ENTIRE smaller country meaning every SINGLE person in that country should leave.
If anything at this point the USA should be helping Ukraine to evacuate to a safer place.
Nobody would have got killed in this war if EVERY SINGLE PERSON in Ukraine would have left before it started.
And the people that didn't have the money to leave should have been funded to leave. Not to fight back. Fighting back is worthless. There's no winner or loser in a fight.
What an entirely myopic way to view this. If Russia didn't attack a sovereign country there would have been no deaths. You are blaming the victim.
I wouldn't call it blaming.
Incredibly rude for Russia to be doing this.
I used to make fun of Russian steroid users all the time on social media a few years ago. Seemed like almost every single Russian instagram celebrity out there was on steroids and they took pride in cheating.
I wonder how many Russian soldiers are on steroids right now. Probably alot.
I always said that steroids changes not only the way you look but it literally changes and grows the brain, face, bones, etc. It changes the way that you think.
Alot of these steroids are being produced in China.
STEROIDS could have some type of blame for this.
But yeah not blaming Ukraine. Just simply want them to evacuate.
In the movie Space Balls in the end they were given warning to evacuate. And what did they do in the movie? They evacuated.
There's no reason why Ukraine shouldn't be taking a Space Balls the movie approach to this and just simply evacuate.
There's no reason why Ukraine shouldn't be taking a Space Balls the movie approach to this and just simply evacuate.
We’ve sent them $60B+ in “aid” since February to “fend off” the Russians. It pays big bucks to keep the war profiteering machine rolling. Evacuating and conceding means the funds dry up.
Has it occurred to you that the Ukrainians might consider moving to the South Pole might be a losing proposition as well. As for other countries, no other country could take them all, so you are suggesting the breakup of country and culture, moving the people to a place where they don't know the language or have jobs.
And playing this out long-term, you are telling every large country that if they want another country, they should take it. And the rest of the world will pay to move them elsewhere.
Gee, I wonder why no one else thought of this genius idea.
I don't think anyone person today has any clear knowledge of the death toll of Russian soldiers, Ukraine soldiers and civilians kill thus far.
I'd be willing to guess close to 120,000 on all sides. Plus around 700,000 wounded. Know one will know for sure until the war is over. And even then the numbers might be sketchy.
And if those 120,000 people or so were given funding to evacuate instead of fight then they would still be here today. Those were potential future lawyers, scientists... etc.. Damn that sucks.
Well I guess you would have to split that in half or so depending on the exact ratio. So if those 60,000 or so Ukrainians would just have had the proper funding and a proper place to evacuate to then they would still be alive..
I have no clue why any Ukrainian is still there right now. Makes no sense to me. Evacuation to a safer place with the proper funding is always the best option.
I believe you misread my post. I was guessing 120,000 on all sides. Not just Ukraine. And millions of Ukrainian civilians did evacuate. But where were the rest of them to go? Western Europe could not absorb the entire population of Ukraine.
If Ukraine would just have evacuated then nobody would have got killed. They had plenty of warning.
The smartest thing to do is always evacuate. Even if that means moving to the South or North Pole. It's simple.
There's no reason why any of this should be going on. Russia is clearly way bigger. If a bigger country wants to do this to a smaller country then the ENTIRE smaller country meaning every SINGLE person in that country should leave.
If anything at this point the USA should be helping Ukraine to evacuate to a safer place.
Nobody would have got killed in this war if EVERY SINGLE PERSON in Ukraine would have left before it started.
And the people that didn't have the money to leave should have been funded to leave. Not to fight back. Fighting back is worthless. There's no winner or loser in a fight.
The problem here is that the US does not care to save Ukrainian lives. They just want a NATO base and geopolitical influence zone right next to Russian border. Therefore this war will go untill last Ukranian soldier drops dead on the battlefield. Then Polish and British will take over from there.
No, the problem is that if Ukrainians had left Ukraine, Russia would have felt empowered to invade and annex Moldova. Since Putin is an authoritarian d-bag that is hell-bent on recreating the Russian empire, the ONLY solution is to put him and the whole Russian identity down like a rapid dog. Nobody would miss Russia if it ceased to exist tomorrow.
And if those 120,000 people or so were given funding to evacuate instead of fight then they would still be here today. Those were potential future lawyers, scientists... etc.. Damn that sucks.
Well I guess you would have to split that in half or so depending on the exact ratio. So if those 60,000 or so Ukrainians would just have had the proper funding and a proper place to evacuate to then they would still be alive..
I have no clue why any Ukrainian is still there right now. Makes no sense to me. Evacuation to a safer place with the proper funding is always the best option.
Has it occurred to you that the Ukrainians might consider moving to the South Pole might be a losing proposition as well. As for other countries, no other country could take them all, so you are suggesting the breakup of country and culture, moving the people to a place where they don't know the language or have jobs.
And playing this out long-term, you are telling every large country that if they want another country, they should take it. And the rest of the world will pay to move them elsewhere.
Gee, I wonder why no one else thought of this genius idea.
Evactuation is always the best option. It should be the number one solution. And usually countries aren't as rude as Russia right now. Like I said before it could be the steroid thing. They get their steroids shipped right to them from China.
And there's plenty of room everywhere. The planet can hold quintillions upon quintillions of humans without a problem if done right. So not understanding your out of room theory.
If anything its kind of sad that there's only 8 billion people on the planet right now. Should be way more than that at this point in time.
Has it occurred to you that the Ukrainians might consider moving to the South Pole might be a losing proposition as well. As for other countries, no other country could take them all, so you are suggesting the breakup of country and culture, moving the people to a place where they don't know the language or have jobs.
And playing this out long-term, you are telling every large country that if they want another country, they should take it. And the rest of the world will pay to move them elsewhere.
Gee, I wonder why no one else thought of this genius idea.
Evactuation is always the best option. It should be the number one solution. And usually countries aren't as rude as Russia right now. Like I said before it could be the steroid thing. They get their steroids shipped right to them from China.
And there's plenty of room everywhere. The planet can hold quintillions upon quintillions of humans without a problem if done right. So not understanding your out of room theory.
If anything its kind of sad that there's only 8 billion people on the planet right now. Should be way more than that at this point in time.
This earth is having trouble feeding the billions we already have. And you're skipping over the number trillion and suggesting the earth could handle quintillions of people?
1 billion = 1,000,000,000. 1 trillion = 1,000,000,000,000. 1 quintillion = 1,000,000,000,000,000,000. And you used quintillion in the plural form. Where on earth, no pun intended, do you suppose we could feed and house all of those quintillion's of people?
Go watch or rewatch the movie Forrest Gump. There's one line Forrest says, that only contains five words. I was thinking of that when I read your post.
The problem here is that the US does not care to save Ukrainian lives. They just want a NATO base and geopolitical influence zone right next to Russian border. Therefore this war will go untill last Ukranian soldier drops dead on the battlefield. Then Polish and British will take over from there.
No they care. Just not doing it the right way in my mind.
Funding should go 100 percent towards evacuation and leaving and funding every single Ukrainian to leave to a safer place.. Not encouraging them to fight back.
We could have used the 40 billion to bring them all to Texas.
And if those 120,000 people or so were given funding to evacuate instead of fight then they would still be here today. Those were potential future lawyers, scientists... etc.. Damn that sucks.
Well I guess you would have to split that in half or so depending on the exact ratio. So if those 60,000 or so Ukrainians would just have had the proper funding and a proper place to evacuate to then they would still be alive..
I have no clue why any Ukrainian is still there right now. Makes no sense to me. Evacuation to a safer place with the proper funding is always the best option.
I believe you misread my post. I was guessing 120,000 on all sides. Not just Ukraine. And millions of Ukrainian civilians did evacuate. But where were the rest of them to go? Western Europe could not absorb the entire population of Ukraine.
Come on man, put on your thinking cap.
Dude - I like your posts in general.
BUT, you are responding to matt_london as if his post was not tongue-in-cheek?!?
Has it occurred to you that the Ukrainians might consider moving to the South Pole might be a losing proposition as well. As for other countries, no other country could take them all, so you are suggesting the breakup of country and culture, moving the people to a place where they don't know the language or have jobs.
And playing this out long-term, you are telling every large country that if they want another country, they should take it. And the rest of the world will pay to move them elsewhere.
Gee, I wonder why no one else thought of this genius idea.
Evactuation is always the best option. It should be the number one solution. And usually countries aren't as rude as Russia right now. Like I said before it could be the steroid thing. They get their steroids shipped right to them from China.
And there's plenty of room everywhere. The planet can hold quintillions upon quintillions of humans without a problem if done right. So not understanding your out of room theory.
If anything its kind of sad that there's only 8 billion people on the planet right now. Should be way more than that at this point in time.
Has it occurred to you that Ukrainians don't consider sacrificing their comfort, and even their life, to keep the Ukrainian identity (and country) alive?
p.s. Russia is not being "rude". They are committing war crimes and killing civilians daily in an attempt to re-establish the Russian empire. There is no higher calling than killing every last Russian that sets foot in Ukraine.
I believe you misread my post. I was guessing 120,000 on all sides. Not just Ukraine. And millions of Ukrainian civilians did evacuate. But where were the rest of them to go? Western Europe could not absorb the entire population of Ukraine.
Come on man, put on your thinking cap.
Dude - I like your posts in general.
BUT, you are responding to matt_london as if his post was not tongue-in-cheek?!?
Come on, dude - put your thinking cap on.
I have no idea who Matt London is. But thank you for setting me straight. Seriously, I'll try to do better in the future.
P.S. Thank you for liking most of my posts. Unsolicited compliments, as you are probably aware, are difficult to come by on this message board. So, thanks again!
P.P.S Anytime I hear or read the term "tongue in cheek" it reminds me of something else. Ya, I know. But I was born with my mind in the gutter.
I read Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky and Ed Herman when I went off to college in 1989. I then watched it play out when the US invaded Iraq in the first Gulf War and again after 9/11 when the US went back. And I have seen many additional examples in US foreign policy. There has certainly been an element of manufacturing consent with respect to Russia and the US. But when Russia invaded Ukraine, the usual manufacturing consent play book did not operate like it had in the past. The US government is certainly pursuing objectives in the war and using its relationship with the mass media to manipulate public opinion to support US support for Ukraine. But what is lacking is the concerted effort to construct a fictional narrative like with Sadam's WMDs and alleged involvement in 9/11 (he was not involved at all) that the US used to manufacture consent for that war. Instead, the US intervention has actually been very measured. Ukraine is getting just enough in military support to get the job done and very little in excess of that. The US is withholding a whole range of weapons systems that could have an immediate outcome determinative impact on the war (predator drones, ATACMs, F class fighters, warthog a10, Black hawk helicopters, patriot missile systems, etc.). And Ukraine has been given clear instructions to keep the war on an even keel with no attacks into Russia or Belarus, which is a significant restriction that keeps Ukraine from hitting troops and supplies massing before crossing the border and from attacking weapons production and storage facilities inside Russia).
The reason I know that this conflict is different is the simple fact that you really do not need to do much more than show what Russia is doing to understand that they have become a very dangerous regime. It is so bad in Russia that even the propaganda isn't making any sense. In the clip below, Russia's main propagandist, Vladimir Solovyov (he is basically like Sean Hannity, Jake Tapper and David Muir rolled into one person), actually claims that Feb 24 was a "counterattack" against eight years of Ukrainian "genocide against those who won't accept LGBT, transgender-Nazi values" Yeah. Are we talking about drag queen Nazis?
Of course, Solovyov has just run out of anything to say that makes sense because Russia never really had a justification to start this conflict and is now stuck losing a war that they really do not know why they started in the first place. That is a genuinely dangerous regime that needs to be stopped in Ukraine.
If you thought you'd seen it all from Vladimir Solovyov, think again
In his latest tirade, he calls Russia's invasion of Ukraine a "counterattack" launched in response to eight years of Ukrainian "genocide against those who won't accept LGBT, transgender-Nazi values" pic.twitter.com/0kgvcK2xH5
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