Just don’t compare Sweden to it’s two neighbors, six times lower death rate. Also, Sweden repeatedly has denied using “herd immunity.”
Agip is wrong as usual.
Just don’t compare Sweden to it’s two neighbors, six times lower death rate. Also, Sweden repeatedly has denied using “herd immunity.”
Agip is wrong as usual.
moderates suck wrote:
Corona Trump wrote:
Any if Biden uses Bloomberg's people, Trump is dead in the water. Bloomberg knows how to run killer ads.
Bloomberg is not coming to the rescue. He doesn't have any people. He laid them all off. Several of them have sued him.
Bloomberg got what he wanted when he forced out all the folks in favor of a wealth tax.
They don’t need BB’s people, just his money. If he pitches in Biden is golden.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
Sincere question for you rigged - do you think the WPOTUS was being sarcastic when he suggested bleach injections and UV light inside the body may be viable options for fighting CV?
Trump used the word “disinfectant” meaning medicine that kills the virus. The media reports he said to drink bleach and huff Lysol. If people are drinking bleach because they think it cures coronavirus, it’s probably best for the human race that they exit the gene pool.
Sure sounds like he’s suggesting it would work and is giving credibility to something so ridiculous... people would be drinking bleach because the WPOTUS thinks it cures CV. Why else did officials feel the need to warn the public not to do that?
“And then I said, supposing it brought the light inside the body, which you can either do either through the skin or some other way, and I think you said you're gonna test that too, sounds interesting. And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs.”
agip wrote:
Trump playing the victim and trying to make people hate other people?
That's all he does.
And Republicans play along like good little fascists.
Republican strategy memo advises GOP campaigns to blame China for coronavirus
A new Republican strategy memo advises Senate candidates to blame China for the coronavirus outbreak, link Democrats to the Chinese government and avoid discussing President Trump’s handling of the crisis.
The 57-page memo, drafted by a D.C.-area GOP strategist, was distributed to campaigns this month by the National Republican Senatorial Committee. It’s existence was first reported Friday by Politico.
If asked whether Trump is at fault for the nation’s unpreparedness as the virus spread, the candidates are told, “don’t defend Trump, other than the China Travel Ban — attack China,” according to the memo, a copy of which was obtained by The Washington Post. The memo urges Republicans to acknowledge that U.S. public health officials “acted late,” then say that is China’s fault.
Yep, the esteemed Sen Cotton definitely got that memo..
https://twitter.com/brhodes/status/1254464567637233665?s=20Rigged for Hillary wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
Sincere question for you rigged - do you think the WPOTUS was being sarcastic when he suggested bleach injections and UV light inside the body may be viable options for fighting CV?
Trump used the word “disinfectant” meaning medicine that kills the virus. The media reports he said to drink bleach and huff Lysol. If people are drinking bleach because they think it cures coronavirus, it’s probably best for the human race that they exit the gene pool.
We all saw what he said and what he meant. There is no defense.
Trollminator wrote:
moderates suck wrote:
Bloomberg is not coming to the rescue. He doesn't have any people. He laid them all off. Several of them have sued him.
Bloomberg got what he wanted when he forced out all the folks in favor of a wealth tax.
They don’t need BB’s people, just his money. If he pitches in Biden is golden.
I'll say it real slow, so perhaps you will understand:
The "money" that BB promised in support of the nominee, was based on paying his "staff" as part of a "field operation." He withdrew all of that.
agip wrote:
have to ask.......///... wrote:
I honestly have no agenda here but this continues to baffle me...
Of course no one else seems to think anything of it but because you mention per capita death in Sweden, I'll mention it yet again.... for the sake of comparison...
Population of Sweden = 10.25 mil
Population of NYC = 8.4 mil
Covid deaths in Sweden = 2200
Covid deaths in NYC = 17000
Sweden has not closed things.... NYC has closed much but is densely populated
What is happening in NYC that so many are dying relative to the rest of the world???? NYC has the highest number of per capita deaths in the world.
NYC is far more densely populated than sweden
sweden isn't made up of a majority of poor obese, unfit people who live in poor air quality.
the population of sweden doesn't get around on subways.
I suspect sweden in February didn't get the same massive inflow of french, italian and UK tourists who brought the plague to NYC.
I suspect there is a difference in nursing home deaths too...that population has taken this thing so hard everywhere that it has to be a point of comparison.
There is speculation of a nasty NYC version of the virus but I haven't seen any scientific evidence of that.
Note too that places count deaths differently.
It may be that Swedes have better immune systems than New Yorkers.
An interesting side note is that the Nordic countries are fond of steam baths. There is some evidence that hot/cold therapy improves the immune system. It's a practice that successfully helped to combat the Spanish Flu pandemic. Of course, the studies that were done back then didn't use the scientific rigor of today's studies.
So doctors today are starting to study this as a possible therapy. It's not a cure, but it's a treatment that could especially help those who have the disease but aren't yet sick enough to need hospitalization.
But I personally think that the factors agip pointed out are more likely to be the causes of the discrepancy.
They say that Finland is the place where steam baths are most popular of all. And unlike Sweden, Finland has shut down.
So put the two together and you find that Finland has only 34 deaths per million compared to Sweden's 217.
moderates suck wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
They don’t need BB’s people, just his money. If he pitches in Biden is golden.
I'll say it real slow, so perhaps you will understand:
The "money" that BB promised in support of the nominee, was based on paying his "staff" as part of a "field operation." He withdrew all of that.
If you are saying 'bloomberg will not help the Democratic Party win the White House in 2020"
then I think you are mistaken.
But you seem to have more info on Bberg than I do.
I mean here, for example:
This includes money raised through its Democratic Grassroots Victory Fund and a single, $18 million boost as the campaign of former presidential candidate Mike Bloomberg transferred funds to the DNC to support the party's infrastructure.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/20/politics/joe-biden-march-fundraising/index.htmlhave to ask.......///... wrote:
agip wrote:
4/25 data
More of the same really on daily death stats.
Things continue to improve on a slightly accelerated curve.
Globally, 4/25 was the fourth straight day of lower death counts.
7 day average was dead flat though, because of a very bad day on 4/21.
I'm hoping when we age out of that day, the 7 day average improves a lot.
Without that 4/25 data, the 3 day averages look the best they've every been:
Globally negative 3%
US: negative 4%.
So we'll see if 4/25 is replaced by another bad day or if we are moving down the backslope of the curve.
Of course we all have concerns that 5/1 local biz openings will start us back up the curve. But we won't know that until 5/21 or so.
One interesting thing...The US was passed in per capita deaths by Switzerland.
I'm watching Sweden's relative place in the per capita death lists to see if that country's run for herd immunity works.
And I'm watching the US' relative place in the per capita death lists because I live there.
Sweden is being 'caught' by Ireland and a few small nations. I think we all have to hope that Sweden's strategy pays off with a lower death count in the long run. Because unless we get a solid cure quickly, we're all going the Sweden route in May, June, July.
I honestly have no agenda here but this continues to baffle me...
Of course no one else seems to think anything of it but because you mention per capita death in Sweden, I'll mention it yet again.... for the sake of comparison...
Population of Sweden = 10.25 mil
Population of NYC = 8.4 mil
Covid deaths in Sweden = 2200
Covid deaths in NYC = 17000
Sweden has not closed things.... NYC has closed much but is densely populated
What is happening in NYC that so many are dying relative to the rest of the world???? NYC has the highest number of per capita deaths in the world.
Sweden: 173,860 square miles.
NYC: 303 square miles.
Corona trump wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
Sincere question for you rigged - do you think the WPOTUS was being sarcastic when he suggested bleach injections and UV light inside the body may be viable options for fighting CV?
Trump constantly makes fools out of his followers. He places them in the untenable position of agreeing with his ridiculous lie or admit his he lying.
Rigged and other trump sheep have only three options here (1) ignore dealing with trumps lies (rigged won't answer your question) (2) Say all politicians lie or (3) change the subject (well how about...).
Trump constantly makes people who believe in him look foolish or just plain dumb.
Trig won't answer you. He can't.
Rigged answered your post. He posted,
"Trump used the word “disinfectant” meaning medicine that kills the virus. The media reports he said to drink bleach and huff Lysol. If people are drinking bleach because they think it cures coronavirus, it’s probably best for the human race that they exit the gene pool.
He never did answer your question about whether he thought Trump was sarcastic because as I said he couldn't. He changed the subject (3) about telling us what Trump really meant.
It's not easy to have to always have to defend Trump's crazy stuff.
Time to stop with the reality TV personalities and elect literate people into positions of power. Embarrassing.
johnny99 wrote:
have to ask.......///... wrote:
I honestly have no agenda here but this continues to baffle me...
Of course no one else seems to think anything of it but because you mention per capita death in Sweden, I'll mention it yet again.... for the sake of comparison...
Population of Sweden = 10.25 mil
Population of NYC = 8.4 mil
Covid deaths in Sweden = 2200
Covid deaths in NYC = 17000
Sweden has not closed things.... NYC has closed much but is densely populated
What is happening in NYC that so many are dying relative to the rest of the world???? NYC has the highest number of per capita deaths in the world.
Sweden: 173,860 square miles.
NYC: 303 square miles.
I understand why more people are getting the disease... but why are more people dying??... that should have little to do with population density (which you might note, i mentioned in my initial post)...
NYC is far worse than any place on earth... if it's about the transmission of the disease every place should end up with similar death per capita ranges once the disease runs through the population... so is the death per capita correct in NYC or is that some sort of anomaly due to people being out of shape or something??
have to ask......//..// wrote:
NYC is far worse than any place on earth... if it's about the transmission of the disease every place should end up with similar death per capita ranges once the disease runs through the population... so is the death per capita correct in NYC or is that some sort of anomaly due to people being out of shape or something??
Trump INTENTIONALLY forced people flying into the NYC airports, including those in NJ, to wait for HOURS in line to get their temperatures taken.
https://tinyurl.com/ya7tabushttps://www.cnn.com/travel/article/coronavirus-airport-screening-sunday/index.htmljust to cheer myself up I'll do something I don't usually do.
Early numbers suggest 4/26 will be a very good day in virustatland. best yet in terms of improvement.
Which would be great for obvious reasons, and a point that suggests the IHME model is still working...it predicts sharp falloffs of deaths so let's hope this isn't a one-day artifact.
Some nation or state could just report late, or the website could be having tech problems of course. In which case I'll regret this post.
Ciro wrote:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/hambergers-noble-prizes-trump-attacks-135806261.htmlTime to stop with the reality TV personalities and elect literate people into positions of power. Embarrassing.
Spent 30 seconds looking at his public schedule to confirm that he is lying.
From the yahoo.com article:
"He said: "I work from early in the morning until late at night, haven't left the White House in many months (except to launch Hospital Ship Comfort)"
From his public schedule:
3/7/20-3/9/20. In Florida, Friday through Sunday. Spent two of those days at one of his golf clubs, presumably playing golf.
https://factba.se/calendarI'm sure that this wasn't the only time he was away from the White House over the past few months.
johnny99 wrote:
Ciro wrote:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/hambergers-noble-prizes-trump-attacks-135806261.htmlTime to stop with the reality TV personalities and elect literate people into positions of power. Embarrassing.
Spent 30 seconds looking at his public schedule to confirm that he is lying.
From the yahoo.com article:
"He said: "I work from early in the morning until late at night, haven't left the White House in many months (except to launch Hospital Ship Comfort)"
From his public schedule:
3/7/20-3/9/20. In Florida, Friday through Sunday. Spent two of those days at one of his golf clubs, presumably playing golf.
https://factba.se/calendarI'm sure that this wasn't the only time he was away from the White House over the past few months.
It's complete lies. He had multiple rallies across the country and many public events.
you dont' have to 'prove' trump is lying. if his lips are moving, he's lying. We all know that.
Ciro wrote:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/hambergers-noble-prizes-trump-attacks-135806261.htmlTime to stop with the reality TV personalities and elect literate people into positions of power. Embarrassing.
More missed sarcasm:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1254544354603143168?s=20He did delete his "Noble" tweets.
Actually, the grant money continued to be paid out all the way into 2019. Of course, Rudy's claim is a misrepresentation of the truth on alot of levels.
Furthermore, while these funds were originally appropriated by the NIH in 2014 during the Obama administration, the most recent payment, in 2019, was authorized by the Trump administration.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-admin-wuhan-lab-grant/
SDSU Aztec wrote:
Ciro wrote:
Time to stop with the reality TV personalities and elect literate people into positions of power. Embarrassing.
More missed sarcasm:
He did delete his "Noble" tweets.
Is this now his 'go to' defence for stupidity. Cant decide what's worse...his stupidity or the way he 'cries about how he is treated'.
His press conferences have been faultless the last few days though. /clear sarcasm/