Official Russia vs Ukraine War Thread

Cold War Warrior13 wrote:

HowToTellLollyIsLying wrote:

I love watching Russian tanks blow up. Worth every penny of tax dollars spent to make sure Russia remains an insignificant sh*thole.

p.s. The money is not just being given to Ukraine. Much of it is given to American companies employing American workers building American weapons that are being used to kill Russian soldiers. It would be a bargain at twice the price.

Too much money is being wasted on Ukraine. If you are praising money given to U.S. weapon manufactures, that is a loser philosophy. You are referring to Weapons Economics. In the long run Weapons Economics always ruins a nation. Think of money that is not being spent on U.S. infrastructure in order to satisfy your bloodlust. Global economy was not ruined by Russia crossing into Ukraine earlier this year. Global economy is being ruined by U.S.' response to Ukraine Conflict. You are emotional and not very thoughtful.

Cold War Warrior13 wrote:

HowToTellLollyIsLying wrote:

I love watching Russian tanks blow up. Worth every penny of tax dollars spent to make sure Russia remains an insignificant sh*thole.

p.s. The money is not just being given to Ukraine. Much of it is given to American companies employing American workers building American weapons that are being used to kill Russian soldiers. It would be a bargain at twice the price.

Too much money is being wasted on Ukraine. If you are praising money given to U.S. weapon manufactures, that is a loser philosophy. You are referring to Weapons Economics. In the long run Weapons Economics always ruins a nation. Think of money that is not being spent on U.S. infrastructure in order to satisfy your bloodlust. Global economy was not ruined by Russia crossing into Ukraine earlier this year. Global economy is being ruined by U.S.' response to Ukraine Conflict. You are emotional and not very thoughtful.

Precious Roy wrote:

Ukraine is very close to being able to launch an assault on Kherson. The big question is whether RU will seriously try to defend the assault or just leave a bunch of mobiks on the west side of the Dnipro to put on a show for Moscow. RU is evacuating Ukrainians from Kherson (regardless of whether they want to leave), probably to provide cover for RU forces to evacuate and to lessen scenes of Kherson residents greeting UA forces as liberators. In any event, there are few reasons to believe that RU will be able to hold Kherson or will even try.

Putin reportedly told Orban that he is open to starting negotiations. Many have predicted that RU will try to get a cease fire under the pretext of taking a run at a peace deal only to use the cease fire as a chance to stop UA momentum and prepare for an offensive when talks invariably break down (and that assumes that RU would actually honor a cease fire, which was always an issue in Donbas prior to the invasion). On the other hand, UA's counter offensive and the disastrous mobilization have Putin's back against the wall politically. Mobilization and the flight of hundreds of thousands who did not want to serve has placed the RU economy under extreme pressure due to a labor shortage and brain drain. Putin may be looking for a way to dial down the conflict in order to get the mobiks and refusniks back to their jobs.

Cold War Warrior12 wrote:

Precious Roy wrote:

Ukraine is very close to being able to launch an assault on Kherson. The big question is whether RU will seriously try to defend the assault or just leave a bunch of mobiks on the west side of the Dnipro to put on a show for Moscow. RU is evacuating Ukrainians from Kherson (regardless of whether they want to leave), probably to provide cover for RU forces to evacuate and to lessen scenes of Kherson residents greeting UA forces as liberators. In any event, there are few reasons to believe that RU will be able to hold Kherson or will even try.

Putin reportedly told Orban that he is open to starting negotiations. Many have predicted that RU will try to get a cease fire under the pretext of taking a run at a peace deal only to use the cease fire as a chance to stop UA momentum and prepare for an offensive when talks invariably break down (and that assumes that RU would actually honor a cease fire, which was always an issue in Donbas prior to the invasion). On the other hand, UA's counter offensive and the disastrous mobilization have Putin's back against the wall politically. Mobilization and the flight of hundreds of thousands who did not want to serve has placed the RU economy under extreme pressure due to a labor shortage and brain drain. Putin may be looking for a way to dial down the conflict in order to get the mobiks and refusniks back to their jobs.

Considering realities in greater Ukraine and Russia fighting N.A.T.O., Russia demonstrating flexibility is wise, tactical retreats by Russia are wise. 1) Biden strongly hinted/suggested about 3 1/2 weeks ago, U.S. tanks in Ukraine were a possibility. His motivation. A serious indication of victory by mid-term elections. Too late. Won't happen. 2) No U.S. tanks &/or N.A.T.O. tanks and no bombing missions deep into Russia, as long as Russia does tactical retreats, Russia will prevail in a war of attrition versus Ukraine.

Biden wants Kherson by first week of November. In theory, if Ukraine/U.S./N.A.T.O. get within 20K of Moscow, Russia would have no choice but to defend every cm of land and fight to the death over every cm, but with current conditions on the ground, fight, kill Ukrainian soldiers, retreat 20K, makes sense.

Cold War Warrior13 wrote:

HowToTellLollyIsLying wrote:

I love watching Russian tanks blow up. Worth every penny of tax dollars spent to make sure Russia remains an insignificant sh*thole.

p.s. The money is not just being given to Ukraine. Much of it is given to American companies employing American workers building American weapons that are being used to kill Russian soldiers. It would be a bargain at twice the price.

Too much money is being wasted on Ukraine. If you are praising money given to U.S. weapon manufactures, that is a loser philosophy. You are referring to Weapons Economics. In the long run Weapons Economics always ruins a nation. Think of money that is not being spent on U.S. infrastructure in order to satisfy your bloodlust. Global economy was not ruined by Russia crossing into Ukraine earlier this year. Global economy is being ruined by U.S.' response to Ukraine Conflict. You are emotional and not very thoughtful.

Cold War Warrior12 wrote:

Precious Roy wrote:

Ukraine is very close to being able to launch an assault on Kherson. The big question is whether RU will seriously try to defend the assault or just leave a bunch of mobiks on the west side of the Dnipro to put on a show for Moscow. RU is evacuating Ukrainians from Kherson (regardless of whether they want to leave), probably to provide cover for RU forces to evacuate and to lessen scenes of Kherson residents greeting UA forces as liberators. In any event, there are few reasons to believe that RU will be able to hold Kherson or will even try.

Putin reportedly told Orban that he is open to starting negotiations. Many have predicted that RU will try to get a cease fire under the pretext of taking a run at a peace deal only to use the cease fire as a chance to stop UA momentum and prepare for an offensive when talks invariably break down (and that assumes that RU would actually honor a cease fire, which was always an issue in Donbas prior to the invasion). On the other hand, UA's counter offensive and the disastrous mobilization have Putin's back against the wall politically. Mobilization and the flight of hundreds of thousands who did not want to serve has placed the RU economy under extreme pressure due to a labor shortage and brain drain. Putin may be looking for a way to dial down the conflict in order to get the mobiks and refusniks back to their jobs.

Considering realities in greater Ukraine and Russia fighting N.A.T.O., Russia demonstrating flexibility is wise, tactical retreats by Russia are wise. 1) Biden strongly hinted/suggested about 3 1/2 weeks ago, U.S. tanks in Ukraine were a possibility. His motivation. A serious indication of victory by mid-term elections. Too late. Won't happen. 2) No U.S. tanks &/or N.A.T.O. tanks and no bombing missions deep into Russia, as long as Russia does tactical retreats, Russia will prevail in a war of attrition versus Ukraine.

Biden wants Kherson by first week of November. In theory, if Ukraine/U.S./N.A.T.O. get within 20K of Moscow, Russia would have no choice but to defend every cm of land and fight to the death over every cm, but with current conditions on the ground, fight, kill Ukrainian soldiers, retreat 20K, makes sense.

Precious Roy wrote:

Cold War Warrior12 wrote:

Considering realities in greater Ukraine and Russia fighting N.A.T.O., Russia demonstrating flexibility is wise, tactical retreats by Russia are wise. 1) Biden strongly hinted/suggested about 3 1/2 weeks ago, U.S. tanks in Ukraine were a possibility. His motivation. A serious indication of victory by mid-term elections. Too late. Won't happen. 2) No U.S. tanks &/or N.A.T.O. tanks and no bombing missions deep into Russia, as long as Russia does tactical retreats, Russia will prevail in a war of attrition versus Ukraine.

Biden wants Kherson by first week of November. In theory, if Ukraine/U.S./N.A.T.O. get within 20K of Moscow, Russia would have no choice but to defend every cm of land and fight to the death over every cm, but with current conditions on the ground, fight, kill Ukrainian soldiers, retreat 20K, makes sense.

I listened to a podcast with Col. Douglas MacGregor. He gets a lot of media time in the horseshoe realm of right and left media that are against the US sending arms to Ukraine. He said that Russia is actually winning big and that Russia was engaging in very smart tactical retreats because they were moving to higher ground where it was easier to defend. Problem with that is the eastern bank of the Dnipro to the Black Sea and Azov Sea is like Kansas. It is pancake flat. And the calling the retreat around Kharkiv a "tactical retreat" is the ultimate military "I meant to do that". RU left behind massive amounts of military hardware and artillery. A tactical retreat is one where you shift the battlefield in order to gain an advantage, not when you are so completely caught off guard that you do not even have time to relocate all your assets.

The Biden administration does not have any timeline for UA to take Kherson or to do anything. Biden admin just wants to see progress in UA's military campaign. If anything, the Biden admin wants a long drawn out conflict in order to severely impair RU's military. For all the talk about HIMARS and other US/EU military aid, the US has piles of weapons that could turn this conflict around in a hurry (predator drones, F16s, stealth bombers, Patriot missile systems, anti-ship missiles, etc.). The US has been very carefully measuring out military aid to make sure UA does not gain too much of an advantage both to keep RU from deploying low yield nukes and to make sure UA destroys as much of the RU armed forces as possible before a victory or peace deal.

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