covidiot23 wrote:
Not looking so good for Trump's malaria drug:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/21/anti-malarial-drug-trump-touted-is-linked-higher-rates-death-va-coronavirus-patients-study-says/
Remdesivir has always sounded more promising than Hydroxychloroquine.
If Remdesivir turns out to be a good treatment then Tiny will take credit for that one because he mentioned it once.
Fat hurts wrote:
p.n. wrote:
Barack Obama was a U.S. Senator for four years.
It was only about two years before he started running for president.
I'm glad we agree that he was in the U.S. Senate for (nearly) four years, not two.
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
China lied, people died and the media complied.
Trump said it would go away in April.
Trump lied and thousands have died so far in April.
Thousands a day in April.
And he is still encouraging people to back out and protest the closings.
Viral problems in Russia
https://www.foxnews.com/world/russians-frustrated-putin-coronavirus-deaths-grow
"At first, he downplayed coronavirus, reassuring Russians that everything was under control and that the virus which put entire countries on lockdown hadn't crept across Russia's borders.
When the numbers got too big to ignore, Moscow's sloppy, disjointed message to its citizens only exacerbated the problem and people started pushing back, taking to the streets in frustration."
This Putin approach sounds familiar.
Fat hurts wrote:
The reason Pete was as successful as he was is this:
1) He is gay.
Surprising really the number of candidates throughout history that were able overcome their straightness to achieve as much success and more.
Not just straight people, but straight white older men are really persecuted these days.
Trump and Biden have overcome these immense prejudices to be the final candidates for their respective parties.
Fat hurts wrote:
covidiot23 wrote:
Not looking so good for Trump's malaria drug:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/21/anti-malarial-drug-trump-touted-is-linked-higher-rates-death-va-coronavirus-patients-study-says/Remdesivir has always sounded more promising than Hydroxychloroquine.
If Remdesivir turns out to be a good treatment then Tiny will take credit for that one because he mentioned it once.
Just one more thing idiot Rigged was wrong about. Non-medical people like Trump and Rigged need to keep their traps shut regarding pharmaceuticals.
L L wrote:
Rigged for Hillary wrote:
China lied, people died and the media complied.
Trump said it would go away in April.
Trump lied and thousands have died so far in April.
Thousands a day in April.
And he is still encouraging people to back out and protest the closings.
The media that complied was Fox News. The fools over there mocked reasonable people's response to COVID-19. There is blood on their hands and Trump's hands. Non-medical people should not be commenting on something such as this.
Smorbun wrote:
The media that complied was Fox News. The fools over there mocked reasonable people's response to COVID-19. There is blood on their hands and Trump's hands. Non-medical people should not be commenting on something such as this.
Even as Fox news people were yelling on air about opening up the economy, the network was taking internal measures to move people to work from home in an effort to protect their workforce...
on the veep issue...I read a study that suggested the only people who really insist on a person of color on the D ticket....are white people. Black and hispanic votes cared far less.
Interesting dynamics.
Also, a great fact:
Among voters who hate both Trump and Biden...Biden gets the vast majority of their votes.
Among voters who hated Trump and Clinton, Trump got the vast majority of those votes.
That's great news.
agip,
since you have been following this i figured I'd ask you your thoughts directly (haven't heard from P lately... although I'd be interested to hear his thoughts) .... and yes i posted this in another thread :
In the hopes of trying to change the trajectory of this thread (because there are multiple threads where we have the 'it's just the flu' folks arguing with the this is the 'black death' folks), i offer the following:
While looking at the healthdata.org covid 19 projections something very odd jumped out from the data (at least to me)... Washington (State) was the place where the first official US Covid case was recorded... i don't remember for sure but i don't think they immediately (or even very quickly) instituted 'stay at home' orders.... the first official case in NY (State) was recorded later than WA... they took about the same time to implement 'stay at home' orders (they might have actually reacted more quickly than WA)... NY's population is about 2.5 times the population of WA... yet projected deaths in NY are almost 30 times the projected deaths in WA....
There has got to be some logical explanation for this... and it's not political... there is something very strange ... is it a different strain of the virus? The one in WA came directly from China whereas the one in NY is a mutated strain from Europe? Obviously conjecture... I have no idea.
It's just very odd that it seems the west coast of the US isn't seeing similar percentages as NY. I originally thought since I am from CA that it had to do with the fact that we were behind NY on the timeline but WA was the first exposed state.... the numbers are just so skewed it seems very odd.
Patient: Doctor Trump, I dropped a five pound weight on my right foot and it hurts like heII. Please help! Doctor Trump: Drop a ten pound weight on your left foot and you'll forget about your right foot.
covidiot23 wrote:
Not looking so good for Trump's malaria drug:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/21/anti-malarial-drug-trump-touted-is-linked-higher-rates-death-va-coronavirus-patients-study-says/
1) FYI it now appears that there were COVID-19 deaths in *California* at least as early as 6 Feb.
2) NYC has a much greater population density than most other American cities. Apparently this is a very contagious virus and people who live in close proximity to each other are at extra risk.
kibitzer wrote:
1) FYI it now appears that there were COVID-19 deaths in *California* at least as early as 6 Feb.
2) NYC has a much greater population density than most other American cities. Apparently this is a very contagious virus and people who live in close proximity to each other are at extra risk.
Those two facts point in opposite directions on this issue... plus the population is pretty dense in LA... less so than NYC though...
The issue seems so odd... so many more deaths in NY percentage wise... again, I thought it was due to timeline issues but that doesn't appear to be the case unless NY got the virus much earlier than west coast... which I suppose is possible.
With the heavily-used subway, no US city comes close to NYC in ability to spread the virus.
jesseriley wrote:
With the heavily-used subway, no US city comes close to NYC in ability to spread the virus.
Add in the failure of Trump to provide adequate separation at the large airports of NYC for the American he was evacuating from around the world. Trump brought the virus home.
https://twitter.com/vjake20/status/1239001781243457542/photo/1change of direction.... wrote:
kibitzer wrote:
1) FYI it now appears that there were COVID-19 deaths in *California* at least as early as 6 Feb.
2) NYC has a much greater population density than most other American cities. Apparently this is a very contagious virus and people who live in close proximity to each other are at extra risk.
Those two facts point in opposite directions on this issue... plus the population is pretty dense in LA... less so than NYC though...
The issue seems so odd... so many more deaths in NY percentage wise... again, I thought it was due to timeline issues but that doesn't appear to be the case unless NY got the virus much earlier than west coast... which I suppose is possible.
Surely the virus is not killing more New Yorkers on a percentage basis... it is obvious there has been very little testing. 15k deaths is 2% of 750k, which is likely a good approximation of the total infections in NY - on a 2-week gap of course. There are a whole bunch of factors that will affect spread differently depending on the city. IMO the only reasonable comparison to highlight the intensity of the problem is the number of deaths per capita.
jesseriley wrote:
With the heavily-used subway, no US city comes close to NYC in ability to spread the virus.
This... plus people were commuting heavily right through the lockdown, so the number of infections in those last couple of weeks must have been huge.
change of direction.... wrote:
kibitzer wrote:
1) FYI it now appears that there were COVID-19 deaths in *California* at least as early as 6 Feb.
2) NYC has a much greater population density than most other American cities. Apparently this is a very contagious virus and people who live in close proximity to each other are at extra risk.
Those two facts point in opposite directions on this issue... plus the population is pretty dense in LA... less so than NYC though...
The issue seems so odd... so many more deaths in NY percentage wise... again, I thought it was due to timeline issues but that doesn't appear to be the case unless NY got the virus much earlier than west coast... which I suppose is possible.
I think some of it is luck.
Epidemiologists have been talking about "super spreader" events. One was in a remote part of southwest Georgia where a single day at a funeral home infected lots of people. Now southwest Georgia, despite being very rural and sparsely populated, is one of the worst hit areas of the US. Why that funeral home and not others around the US? Luck.
A lot of press recently has gone to a super spreading event at a meat processing plant in South Dakota. Why was that plant hit but not most of the others? Luck.
Of course, it's not all luck. California probably shut down harder and faster than any other state. So California, despite its population density, was able to lower the probability of super-spreading events. Thus, it appears to have dodged a bullet.
Sometimes, you make your own luck.