I hope that this is the level of proof needed for all crimes going forward...just in case i ever run afowl o' the law. OJ looked more innocent that Trump. How many witnesses and tweets are we up to clearly showing at least sedition? He overtly wanted to fix the election with fake electors for cris sake. We know for sure he said that from a multitude of witnesses.on his side of the aisle!
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joedlrtee wrote:
coaster wrote:
So you don't think taped testimony from the former White House Counsel, who was in Trump's inner circle, was meaningful? This was the same guy who defended Trump in his second impeachment.
What I find more meaningful is 9.1%. Can congress spend time trying to affect that number instead of focusing on one protest that took place 18 months ago? All this hearing is is a tax payer funded political smear campaign.
What are you, 10? The president of the US and A tried to openly fix an election and this has lead to over 400 people running for public office who believe in his efforts and are fixing election laws based on a lie. This is literally the demise of democracy and you are questioning inflation? Box of rocks.
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joedlrty wrote:
Was there any meaningful testimony today, or just the word of a handful of yokels trying to get reductions in their sentences by supporting the Democrats narrative?
Cipollone testified that Pence should get the Presidential Medal of Freedom. I don't know what Cipollone was thinking. There is no evidence that Cipollone was drunk. How can you get a Presidential Medal of Freedom for refusing to obey orders?! Is this what we have been reduced to as a nation? That's goddam anarchy. That's what these liberals want, they want anarchy and medals for committing insubordinate acts and violating our command structure that the Founding father bestowed upon the decent, god-fearing voters of America.
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Rockall UK wrote:
joedlrty wrote:
Was there any meaningful testimony today, or just the word of a handful of yokels trying to get reductions in their sentences by supporting the Democrats narrative?
Cipollone testified that Pence should get the Presidential Medal of Freedom. I don't know what Cipollone was thinking. There is no evidence that Cipollone was drunk. How can you get a Presidential Medal of Freedom for refusing to obey orders?! Is this what we have been reduced to as a nation? That's goddam anarchy. That's what these liberals want, they want anarchy and medals for committing insubordinate acts and violating our command structure that the Founding father bestowed upon the decent, god-fearing voters of America.
Not sure you want to try the "insubordination defense", because that would imply a direct order from Trump hence legal culpability if the order were determined to be illegal.
A commander who issues an unlawful order is essentially ordering his subordinate to commit a crime, and the subordinate who obeys the unlawful order is just as guilty of the crime as the commander.
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bigmig19 wrote:
joedlrtee wrote:
What I find more meaningful is 9.1%. Can congress spend time trying to affect that number instead of focusing on one protest that took place 18 months ago? All this hearing is is a tax payer funded political smear campaign.
What are you, 10? The president of the US and A tried to openly fix an election and this has lead to over 400 people running for public office who believe in his efforts and are fixing election laws based on a lie. This is literally the demise of democracy and you are questioning inflation? Box of rocks.
Guess you are forgetful of attempts by Democrats (namely Maxine Waters and others) to obstruct the certification of both George W Bush and Donald Trump.
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joedlrty wrote:
bigmig19 wrote:
What are you, 10? The president of the US and A tried to openly fix an election and this has lead to over 400 people running for public office who believe in his efforts and are fixing election laws based on a lie. This is literally the demise of democracy and you are questioning inflation? Box of rocks.
Guess you are forgetful of attempts by Democrats (namely Maxine Waters and others) to obstruct the certification of both George W Bush and Donald Trump.
Dems love sloshing around in the gutter ....
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Well, ok then wrote:
Rockall UK wrote:
Cipollone testified that Pence should get the Presidential Medal of Freedom. I don't know what Cipollone was thinking. There is no evidence that Cipollone was drunk. How can you get a Presidential Medal of Freedom for refusing to obey orders?! Is this what we have been reduced to as a nation? That's goddam anarchy. That's what these liberals want, they want anarchy and medals for committing insubordinate acts and violating our command structure that the Founding father bestowed upon the decent, god-fearing voters of America.
Not sure you want to try the "insubordination defense", because that would imply a direct order from Trump hence legal culpability if the order were determined to be illegal.
A commander who issues an unlawful order is essentially ordering his subordinate to commit a crime, and the subordinate who obeys the unlawful order is just as guilty of the crime as the commander.
You sound like you've been watching A Few Good Men. That's just a movie, you know? They don't actually have Code Reds in the Navy at Gitmo.
What insubordination defense? I'm wondering how Cipollone can say someone deserves a Medal for refusing to do what he's told to do by the Commander-in-Chief. We give out Medals for sedition now?
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joedlrty wrote:
techno wrote:
Anyone paying attention will know that Jan 6 was a coup attempt by Trump and his terrorist paramilitary buddies. The 'protest' by gullible people who believed what Fox and Friends told them, was just cover.
Takes more than three armed men to overthrow a government when there are about 25,000 police, soldiers, FBI, CIA, etc. in the general vicinity. These guys had an inflated sense of self-worth and you are feeding that misconception. These fringe "militias" are about as meaningful as pinky and the brain.
Are you really this dumb, or are you just pretending? If you don't understand or know about the whole picture of Trump's plan to overturn the election, then why are you commenting here? I'm being serious here. There is basic knowledge about this that you do not have. How is it that you feel you have anything to say about this? Go get educated about this and then come back.
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Hooma wrote:
joedlrty wrote:
Takes more than three armed men to overthrow a government when there are about 25,000 police, soldiers, FBI, CIA, etc. in the general vicinity. These guys had an inflated sense of self-worth and you are feeding that misconception. These fringe "militias" are about as meaningful as pinky and the brain.
Are you really this dumb, or are you just pretending? If you don't understand or know about the whole picture of Trump's plan to overturn the election, then why are you commenting here? I'm being serious here. There is basic knowledge about this that you do not have. How is it that you feel you have anything to say about this? Go get educated about this and then come back.
Hooma you misspell your name - it should be Huma like hillary's former assistant.
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joedlrty wrote:
bigmig19 wrote:
What are you, 10? The president of the US and A tried to openly fix an election and this has lead to over 400 people running for public office who believe in his efforts and are fixing election laws based on a lie. This is literally the demise of democracy and you are questioning inflation? Box of rocks.
Guess you are forgetful of attempts by Democrats (namely Maxine Waters and others) to obstruct the certification of both George W Bush and Donald Trump.
You are a f*cking moron.
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Sally Vix wrote:
Hooma wrote:
Are you really this dumb, or are you just pretending? If you don't understand or know about the whole picture of Trump's plan to overturn the election, then why are you commenting here? I'm being serious here. There is basic knowledge about this that you do not have. How is it that you feel you have anything to say about this? Go get educated about this and then come back.
Hooma you misspell your name - it should be Huma like hillary's former assistant.
You misspelled your name. It should be "dumb*ss" as in you are a dumb*ss.
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Rockall UK wrote:
joedlrty wrote:
Was there any meaningful testimony today, or just the word of a handful of yokels trying to get reductions in their sentences by supporting the Democrats narrative?
Cipollone testified that Pence should get the Presidential Medal of Freedom. I don't know what Cipollone was thinking. There is no evidence that Cipollone was drunk. How can you get a Presidential Medal of Freedom for refusing to obey orders?! Is this what we have been reduced to as a nation? That's goddam anarchy. That's what these liberals want, they want anarchy and medals for committing insubordinate acts and violating our command structure that the Founding father bestowed upon the decent, god-fearing voters of America.
That's one of the things that struck me about these hearings. Over and over we have people in government who refused to obey Trump's orders. The vice president wouldn't follow his orders. The military wouldn't follow his orders. The DOJ wouldn't follow his orders. His own White House staff and body guards even stopped following his orders.
It got so bad, that Trump had to turn to people outside of government like Drunk Rudy and Steve Bannon. Nobody in government would follow him any more. No wonder he took to throwing his food against the wall.
What a leader.
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Rockall UK wrote:
Well, ok then wrote:
Not sure you want to try the "insubordination defense", because that would imply a direct order from Trump hence legal culpability if the order were determined to be illegal.
A commander who issues an unlawful order is essentially ordering his subordinate to commit a crime, and the subordinate who obeys the unlawful order is just as guilty of the crime as the commander.
You sound like you've been watching A Few Good Men. That's just a movie, you know? They don't actually have Code Reds in the Navy at Gitmo.
What insubordination defense? I'm wondering how Cipollone can say someone deserves a Medal for refusing to do what he's told to do by the Commander-in-Chief. We give out Medals for sedition now?
I know the answer to this one. I know why Pence might deserve a medal for refusing Trump's order. Anyone else know? Anyone?
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Well, ok then wrote:
Rockall UK wrote:
Cipollone testified that Pence should get the Presidential Medal of Freedom. I don't know what Cipollone was thinking. There is no evidence that Cipollone was drunk. How can you get a Presidential Medal of Freedom for refusing to obey orders?! Is this what we have been reduced to as a nation? That's goddam anarchy. That's what these liberals want, they want anarchy and medals for committing insubordinate acts and violating our command structure that the Founding father bestowed upon the decent, god-fearing voters of America.
Not sure you want to try the "insubordination defense", because that would imply a direct order from Trump hence legal culpability if the order were determined to be illegal.
A commander who issues an unlawful order is essentially ordering his subordinate to commit a crime, and the subordinate who obeys the unlawful order is just as guilty of the crime as the commander.
Unlike members of the cabinet and staff, the VP is not subordinate to the President. The VP is only an advisor and can only be removed by Congress through impeachment. As a constitutional matter, the Vice President is independent from the President and can and does take actions and public positions that are contrary to the latter’s wishes.
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Fat hurts wrote:
Rockall UK wrote:
Cipollone testified that Pence should get the Presidential Medal of Freedom. I don't know what Cipollone was thinking. There is no evidence that Cipollone was drunk. How can you get a Presidential Medal of Freedom for refusing to obey orders?! Is this what we have been reduced to as a nation? That's goddam anarchy. That's what these liberals want, they want anarchy and medals for committing insubordinate acts and violating our command structure that the Founding father bestowed upon the decent, god-fearing voters of America.
That's one of the things that struck me about these hearings. Over and over we have people in government who refused to obey Trump's orders. The vice president wouldn't follow his orders. The military wouldn't follow his orders. The DOJ wouldn't follow his orders. His own White House staff and body guards even stopped following his orders.
It got so bad, that Trump had to turn to people outside of government like Drunk Rudy and Steve Bannon. Nobody in government would follow him any more. No wonder he took to throwing his food against the wall.
What a leader.
What you are describing sounds more like a conspiracy to undermine Trump's authority than what you are suggesting its suggests.
Without a command structure, society breaks down, as we have seen in recent years. We need that pyramidal shaped hierarchy org chart. The contoured lines must be followed.
Whoever penned "lonely at the top" surely had leaders like Trump in mind, as he stared out the Oval Office window into the starry night skies, the weight of America on his shoulders, momentous decisions regarding the future of our J. Christ-fearing people to be made, Trump often wondered who he could trust. Who, besides him, was up to the task of making America great? Apparently none of these selfish creeps in government who spent 4 years trying to pull the rug out from under him.
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