Drain the Swamp. wrote:
thoughtsandprayers wrote:
Thanks Trump!
https://nypost.com/2020/04/16/jobless-claims-another-5-2-million-americans-file-for-unemployment/We went from 6.6 million last week to 5.2 million this week. It will be close to zero in a very short time.
Is that because everyone will be out of work and there will be nobody left to file a claim?
Fat hurts wrote:
Drain the Swamp. wrote:
We went from 6.6 million last week to 5.2 million this week. It will be close to zero in a very short time.
Is that because everyone will be out of work and there will be nobody left to file a claim?
Or maybe all the unemployed people will one day disappear like a miracle.
agip wrote:
my biggest worry is the plateauing of new cases...it's just not going down very much, despite sheltering in place. Sure, it's off the peak, and that's good. But how are people still getting this thing now? All in grocery stores?
Just saw a study of women admitted to NYC hospitals to give birth...15% were covid positive but only 2% had any symptoms.
so if that is representative of the NYC population, there's a good amount to go before we get herd immunity.
But seems positive to me that so few have symptoms. Although that will transmit the disease faster, I know.
At this point about a third of the people I know have gotten it, most unconfirmed because they couldn’t get tested. Most had awful symptoms, two neighbors in my building passed away and several were coughing blood but still were turned away due to hospital congestion. Basically, if someone is bad enough to be put on a ventilator their last days are just being managed and expectation is they won’t make it. All these people living in buildings, which is a vast majority in NYC are at very high risk of infection because they inevitably touch things others touch, door handles, elevator buttons, etc.. social distancing is also not as easy. But nobody I know has been careless, people have been mostly home unless they need to buy something urgently. I am not optimistic about the numbers when guidelines are eased. The hospital situation continues to be horrendous.
Yeah, I can think of one person who apparently won’t be unemployed until he’s “disappeared.”
Drain the Swamp. wrote:
Fat hurts wrote:
Is that because everyone will be out of work and there will be nobody left to file a claim?
Or maybe all the unemployed people will one day disappear like a miracle.
Hopefully the family of grifters can disappear too.
FWIW those disposable doggy doo-doo gloves are still available & effective to reduce hand contact.
Trollminator wrote:
agip wrote:
my biggest worry is the plateauing of new cases...it's just not going down very much, despite sheltering in place. Sure, it's off the peak, and that's good. But how are people still getting this thing now? All in grocery stores?
Just saw a study of women admitted to NYC hospitals to give birth...15% were covid positive but only 2% had any symptoms.
so if that is representative of the NYC population, there's a good amount to go before we get herd immunity.
But seems positive to me that so few have symptoms. Although that will transmit the disease faster, I know.
At this point about a third of the people I know have gotten it, most unconfirmed because they couldn’t get tested. Most had awful symptoms, two neighbors in my building passed away and several were coughing blood but still were turned away due to hospital congestion. Basically, if someone is bad enough to be put on a ventilator their last days are just being managed and expectation is they won’t make it. All these people living in buildings, which is a vast majority in NYC are at very high risk of infection because they inevitably touch things others touch, door handles, elevator buttons, etc.. social distancing is also not as easy. But nobody I know has been careless, people have been mostly home unless they need to buy something urgently. I am not optimistic about the numbers when guidelines are eased. The hospital situation continues to be horrendous.
As I understand it, about half of those who go on a ventilator do get better. But the longer you are on it the less chance you have of recovery.
Fat hurts wrote:
As I understand it, about half of those who go on a ventilator do get better. But the longer you are on it the less chance you have of recovery.
This is true of pretty much all ventilator cases. Not the 1/2 get better part, but the longer you are on it the harder it is to successfully come off of it. 2-3 weeks is a really long time to be on a ventilator and I think that is the average for a COVID patient, though I haven't seen any recent update on that.
Trollminator wrote:
At this point about a third of the people I know have gotten it, most unconfirmed because they couldn’t get tested.
But this is the part that is unforgivable.
Donald Trump lied on March 6, 2020 in remarks to reporters:
"Anybody that wants a test can get a test."
Six weeks later, those who need a test STILL can't get a test.
And after testing positive comes treatment, tracing, and tracking. We haven’t even BEGUN to roll out the last two!
Fat hurts wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
At this point about a third of the people I know have gotten it, most unconfirmed because they couldn’t get tested. Most had awful symptoms, two neighbors in my building passed away and several were coughing blood but still were turned away due to hospital congestion. Basically, if someone is bad enough to be put on a ventilator their last days are just being managed and expectation is they won’t make it. All these people living in buildings, which is a vast majority in NYC are at very high risk of infection because they inevitably touch things others touch, door handles, elevator buttons, etc.. social distancing is also not as easy. But nobody I know has been careless, people have been mostly home unless they need to buy something urgently. I am not optimistic about the numbers when guidelines are eased. The hospital situation continues to be horrendous.
As I understand it, about half of those who go on a ventilator do get better. But the longer you are on it the less chance you have of recovery.
Cuomo said today, I believe, that 80% of those who go on ventilators in NY hospitals never come off it.
Trollminator wrote:
agip wrote:
my biggest worry is the plateauing of new cases...it's just not going down very much, despite sheltering in place. Sure, it's off the peak, and that's good. But how are people still getting this thing now? All in grocery stores?
Just saw a study of women admitted to NYC hospitals to give birth...15% were covid positive but only 2% had any symptoms.
so if that is representative of the NYC population, there's a good amount to go before we get herd immunity.
But seems positive to me that so few have symptoms. Although that will transmit the disease faster, I know.
At this point about a third of the people I know have gotten it, most unconfirmed because they couldn’t get tested. Most had awful symptoms, two neighbors in my building passed away and several were coughing blood but still were turned away due to hospital congestion. Basically, if someone is bad enough to be put on a ventilator their last days are just being managed and expectation is they won’t make it. All these people living in buildings, which is a vast majority in NYC are at very high risk of infection because they inevitably touch things others touch, door handles, elevator buttons, etc.. social distancing is also not as easy. But nobody I know has been careless, people have been mostly home unless they need to buy something urgently. I am not optimistic about the numbers when guidelines are eased. The hospital situation continues to be horrendous.
the 'good' news is that there is a net outflow of patients in NY hospitals - more leave than come in. Not sure if that is NYS or NYC.
But that's with shelter in place...without that....the hospitals will be overrun.
Which is why Cuomo extended shelter in place til May 15.
Fat hurts wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
At this point about a third of the people I know have gotten it, most unconfirmed because they couldn’t get tested.
But this is the part that is unforgivable.
Donald Trump lied on March 6, 2020 in remarks to reporters:
"Anybody that wants a test can get a test."
Six weeks later, those who need a test STILL can't get a test.
Tests are being allocated to people on their last breath, just to confirm death was COVID related. Even then they are struggling to keep pace with testing those dying. The rest going to hospitals are being told they have the virus based on the symptoms, but are not given a test because they aren't available. Trump's USA.
agip wrote:
Cuomo said today, I believe, that 80% of those who go on ventilators in NY hospitals never come off it.
Yep, and this has to do with low number of ventilators available.. people are being put on them as a last resort measure. Trump's America.
agip wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
At this point about a third of the people I know have gotten it, most unconfirmed because they couldn’t get tested. Most had awful symptoms, two neighbors in my building passed away and several were coughing blood but still were turned away due to hospital congestion. Basically, if someone is bad enough to be put on a ventilator their last days are just being managed and expectation is they won’t make it. All these people living in buildings, which is a vast majority in NYC are at very high risk of infection because they inevitably touch things others touch, door handles, elevator buttons, etc.. social distancing is also not as easy. But nobody I know has been careless, people have been mostly home unless they need to buy something urgently. I am not optimistic about the numbers when guidelines are eased. The hospital situation continues to be horrendous.
the 'good' news is that there is a net outflow of patients in NY hospitals - more leave than come in. Not sure if that is NYS or NYC.
But that's with shelter in place...without that....the hospitals will be overrun.
Which is why Cuomo extended shelter in place til May 15.
Hospitals have not been able to provide the best care for patients due to the high volume. In the past my neighbor who was coughing blood wouldn't have been turned away after a simple x-ray. He was told to go home and remain isolated, and returned 3 days later when he could barely stand up straight... they finally kept him. NYC will need another month to see manageable numbers.
Ciro wrote:
It’s took 38 days for the US to reach 10,000 deaths.
It took 9 more days to surpass 30,000 deaths from covid-19.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-coronavirus-deaths-approach-30-181411492.htmlI’m not sure now is the time to start reopening everything.
Maybe Sally can come back and tell us once again how this pandemic is a hoax.
Smorbun wrote:
Ciro wrote:
It’s took 38 days for the US to reach 10,000 deaths.
It took 9 more days to surpass 30,000 deaths from covid-19.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-coronavirus-deaths-approach-30-181411492.htmlI’m not sure now is the time to start reopening everything.
Maybe Sally can come back and tell us once again how this pandemic is a hoax.
Sally is waiting for marching orders from her benefactor. It is also possible that her Chinese wife has had enough of Sally attacking her and has bailed out of that abusive relationship. Sally will never be able to understand way. But her faith in Trump is stronger than her faith in her Chinese wife.
The good news for Trump is that people have totally stopped talking about his impeachment for abuse of power and financial crimes he may have committed.
So one of my main social outlets is music. The venues near me have resumed booking shows. I got announcements this week for three future shows. The first one of those is July 16th. I would like to go, and will go if that is an option, but I am holding off on buying tickets. The other two are in September and October. The September one is not one I would go to. The October one is a maybe, but again I am not buying tickets yet.
Wonder if other people are seeing these sorts of signs?
L L wrote:
The good news for Trump is that people have totally stopped talking about his impeachment for abuse of power and financial crimes he may have committed.
one thing that has stayed true about trump for the whole miserable time is that if he is not controlling the headlines, he will do something to grab them back.
Firing the World Health Org is the current example, along with threatening to dismiss congress.
He wasn't controlling the headlines, now he is. And he is showing himself as a fighter, which is all that matters to the confederates. Who love a fighter, even if it is a lost cause.