This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
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Seems there are tons of reasons for clotting and increased heart issues.
The jab is not one of them
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Harambe wrote:
I'll never convince the hardened antivaxxers, however. My goal is to not let their fire hose of inane BS go unrefuted.
Freudian slip?
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Anti-vax nutballs are both dumb and liars. I enjoyed reading how the film "died suddenly"gets fact check here.
in their film, They use people that died in car accidents or falls to show their is a huge uptick in young people dying. But they forget to tell you that is how they died. They even used the headline that a gaming platform "Stadia" also died suddenly. They were hoping you don't notice that Stadia is not a person but a gaming platform. These idiots deserve themselves.
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Mick Joggerrr wrote:
Anti-vax nutballs are both dumb and liars. I enjoyed reading how the film "died suddenly"gets fact check here.
in their film, They use people that died in car accidents or falls to show their is a huge uptick in young people dying. But they forget to tell you that is how they died. They even used the headline that a gaming platform "Stadia" also died suddenly. They were hoping you don't notice that Stadia is not a person but a gaming platform. These idiots deserve themselves.
If only Biden and Harris maintained their initial skepticism of the vaccines. Right wingers and antivaxxers would have rushed in droves to gleefully get vaxxed. Sane people would have still chosen to get vaxxed as well because not everything boils down to owning the libs. So many deaths, hospitalizations and suffering could have been averted.
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A clown show of a dumpster fire as it has been from the start. Over 2 years of telling people to take an experimental "vaccine" and they still can't make a decision about who they believe needs and does not need the mRNA goop.
My unvaxxed self is strong and healthy today. confident that I have made the correct decision to avoid an unnecessary chemical and biological formulation.
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“We need the CDC to tell us exactly who is getting hospitalized and dying of this virus — the ages, vulnerability, the type of immune compromise, and whether they were treated with antivirals. And we need immunological data to indicate who’s at risk,” said Dr. Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center and a pediatrician at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. “Only then can we decide who gets vaccinated with what and when.”
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ToeJAm wrote:
In response to the zero hedge article above, they were only “wrong” early on about things like the aerosolized nature of it, the asymptomatic transmission, the masks, and not getting enough people vaccinated. I wouldn’t even call them “wrong” though. Guidance changes as more is learned.
If you listen to Dr. Fauci, everything he’s said has been entirely consistent and transparent in terms of rationale for why things like masks were first not recommended and then later recommended, how very very early on we didn’t understand asymptomatic transmission, how we didn’t know how well the vaccines wouldn’t prevent breakthrough infections etc. and it’s clear to me and most sane people that there is no cover up. You also have advanced nations (eg South Korea) using these same vaccines. Unfortunately, the conspiracy theorists view any changing recommendations/guidance from USA health authorities as “these guys (Fauci et al) must be crooks, have bad intentions, have no idea what they are talking about, and/or that this whole thing was planned from the beginning, etc.” there’s a large audience and a lot of money to be made from spreading this kind of crap
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The system we have wrote:
ToeJAm wrote:
In response to the zero hedge article above, they were only “wrong” early on about things like the aerosolized nature of it, the asymptomatic transmission, the masks, and not getting enough people vaccinated. I wouldn’t even call them “wrong” though. Guidance changes as more is learned.
If you listen to Dr. Fauci, everything he’s said has been entirely consistent and transparent in terms of rationale for why things like masks were first not recommended and then later recommended, how very very early on we didn’t understand asymptomatic transmission, how we didn’t know how well the vaccines wouldn’t prevent breakthrough infections etc. and it’s clear to me and most sane people that there is no cover up. You also have advanced nations (eg South Korea) using these same vaccines. Unfortunately, the conspiracy theorists view any changing recommendations/guidance from USA health authorities as “these guys (Fauci et al) must be crooks, have bad intentions, have no idea what they are talking about, and/or that this whole thing was planned from the beginning, etc.” there’s a large audience and a lot of money to be made from spreading this kind of crap
Opinion polls as a foundation for his definition of science based public health policy.
That's your esteemed demigod Fauci.
"When polls said only about half of all Americans would take a vaccine, I was saying herd immunity would take 70 to 75 percent ... Then, when newer surveys said 60 percent or more would take it, I thought, "I can nudge this up a bit," so I went to 80, 85. We need to have some humility here .... We really don’t know what the real number is. I think the real range is somewhere between 70 to 90 percent. But, I'm not going to say 90 percent." Anthony Fauci, December 2020
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DanM wrote:
A clown show of a dumpster fire as it has been from the start. Over 2 years of telling people to take an experimental "vaccine" and they still can't make a decision about who they believe needs and does not need the mRNA goop.
My unvaxxed self is strong and healthy today. confident that I have made the correct decision to avoid an unnecessary chemical and biological formulation.
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“We need the CDC to tell us exactly who is getting hospitalized and dying of this virus — the ages, vulnerability, the type of immune compromise, and whether they were treated with antivirals. And we need immunological data to indicate who’s at risk,” said Dr. Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center and a pediatrician at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. “Only then can we decide who gets vaccinated with what and when.”
Aren’t you glad we have a system with a lot of checks and balances that makes it hard for drugs to get approved? It’s very tightly regulated and controlled. They even invite public comment
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DanM wrote:
A clown show of a dumpster fire as it has been from the start. Over 2 years of telling people to take an experimental "vaccine" and they still can't make a decision about who they believe needs and does not need the mRNA goop.
My unvaxxed self is strong and healthy today. confident that I have made the correct decision to avoid an unnecessary chemical and biological formulation.
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no, you are old and slow. You brag about walking. Your brain is no longer able to understand logic, You post nonsense memes are facts.
BTW- you unnecessarily interact with chemical everyday. Genius.
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DanM wrote:
The system we have wrote:
If you listen to Dr. Fauci, everything he’s said has been entirely consistent and transparent in terms of rationale for why things like masks were first not recommended and then later recommended, how very very early on we didn’t understand asymptomatic transmission, how we didn’t know how well the vaccines wouldn’t prevent breakthrough infections etc. and it’s clear to me and most sane people that there is no cover up. You also have advanced nations (eg South Korea) using these same vaccines. Unfortunately, the conspiracy theorists view any changing recommendations/guidance from USA health authorities as “these guys (Fauci et al) must be crooks, have bad intentions, have no idea what they are talking about, and/or that this whole thing was planned from the beginning, etc.” there’s a large audience and a lot of money to be made from spreading this kind of crap
Opinion polls as a foundation for his definition of science based public health policy.
That's your esteemed demigod Fauci.
"When polls said only about half of all Americans would take a vaccine, I was saying herd immunity would take 70 to 75 percent ... Then, when newer surveys said 60 percent or more would take it, I thought, "I can nudge this up a bit," so I went to 80, 85. We need to have some humility here .... We really don’t know what the real number is. I think the real range is somewhere between 70 to 90 percent. But, I'm not going to say 90 percent." Anthony Fauci, December 2020
Fauci knows that America is full of idiots like you. In fact, every doctor has to deal with foolish patients who don't listen and think they are smarter. They have to adjust care accordingly.
This is your fault for being stupid.
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If only Biden and Harris maintained their initial skepticism of the vaccines. Right wingers and antivaxxers would have rushed in droves to gleefully get vaxxed. Sane people would have still chosen to get vaxxed as well because not everything boils down to owning the libs. So many deaths, hospitalizations and suffering could have been averted.
Strange times we live inYou're projecting how the Left thinks and behaves unto the Right in general and antivaxxers (critical thinkers) in particular. Biden/Harris don't trust the "vaccines," because Trump is associated with them, we don't care. Trump endorses the death shots, thinks they're the greatest thing ever, don't care.
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Alex Jones Was Right wrote:
antivaxxers killing democracy - - - - - - wrote:
If only Biden and Harris maintained their initial skepticism of the vaccines. Right wingers and antivaxxers would have rushed in droves to gleefully get vaxxed. Sane people would have still chosen to get vaxxed as well because not everything boils down to owning the libs. So many deaths, hospitalizations and suffering could have been averted.
Strange times we live inYou're projecting how the Left thinks and behaves unto the Right in general and antivaxxers (critical thinkers) in particular.
lol you "critical thinkers" fall for every con man than comes along. You think Joe Rogan and Elon musk are on par with medical professionals.
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The system we have wrote:
If you listen to Dr. Fauci, everything he’s said has been entirely consistent and transparent in terms of rationale for why things like masks were first not recommended and then later recommended, how very very early on we didn’t understand asymptomatic transmission, how we didn’t know how well the vaccines wouldn’t prevent breakthrough infections etc. and it’s clear to me and most sane people that there is no cover up. You also have advanced nations (eg South Korea) using these same vaccines. Unfortunately, the conspiracy theorists view any changing recommendations/guidance from USA health authorities as “these guys (Fauci et al) must be crooks, have bad intentions, have no idea what they are talking about, and/or that this whole thing was planned from the beginning, etc.” there’s a large audience and a lot of money to be made from spreading this kind of crap
Good post. But I hate to inform you that the common sense, logical and intelligent reasoning that you share in your post has been explained to antivax nutballs many times. It makes perfect sense to normal people. We all remember how it went down and how we were told there was uncertainty and every single virus is totally different and we would learn things throughout.
But antivax dopes are not normal. Their minds can’t grasp what you say. They believe any changes in viewpoints or new info on the virus is a gotcha that proves everything is a lie. It is impossible to get any type of logic into their brains. They have immersed themselves into the conspiracy soup of idiocy.
the quicker you learn this the quicker you will shift to just amusing yourself by laughing at them instead of thinking you can converse.
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DanM wrote:
Opinion polls as a foundation for his definition of science based public health policy.
That's your esteemed demigod Fauci.
"When polls said only about half of all Americans would take a vaccine, I was saying herd immunity would take 70 to 75 percent ... Then, when newer surveys said 60 percent or more would take it, I thought, "I can nudge this up a bit," so I went to 80, 85. We need to have some humility here .... We really don’t know what the real number is. I think the real range is somewhere between 70 to 90 percent. But, I'm not going to say 90 percent." Anthony Fauci, December 2020
Yes, I was alongside doctors right when they were released. They told me right then and there they didn’t know how well they’d prevent transmission and breakthrough infection and that it was still being looked into. No coverup. Those of us who went to go get vaccinated in late 2020/early 2021 went maskless right away before the delta variant came.
initially US estimated (this was back in like Feb 2020) that this virus would be so bad that 1% would die of COVID-19 (~3million). Fortunately, it looks like it did not turn out to be nearly as bad, and we have the temporary measures like masking/lockdowns to thank and later the vaccines to help a ton with that. is it perfect? No It sucks for us all to have had to go through this.
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I was talking with this professor last summer about vaccines. We were talking about tRNA vaccines (not mRNA). He insisted it wasn't possible, I told him it was. He just sent me a paper that came out a few weeks ago showing that novel viral tRNA vaccines are possible and in the early works. I was right lol.
Everyone doubted it, but I knew. I'm a visionary.
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Most people have awakened.
Only 16% of adult Americans have taken the bivalent.
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The system we have wrote:
DanM wrote:
Opinion polls as a foundation for his definition of science based public health policy.
That's your esteemed demigod Fauci.
"When polls said only about half of all Americans would take a vaccine, I was saying herd immunity would take 70 to 75 percent ... Then, when newer surveys said 60 percent or more would take it, I thought, "I can nudge this up a bit," so I went to 80, 85. We need to have some humility here .... We really don’t know what the real number is. I think the real range is somewhere between 70 to 90 percent. But, I'm not going to say 90 percent." Anthony Fauci, December 2020
Yes, I was alongside doctors right when they were released. They told me right then and there they didn’t know how well they’d prevent transmission and breakthrough infection and that it was still being looked into. No coverup. Those of us who went to go get vaccinated in late 2020/early 2021 went maskless right away before the delta variant came.
initially US estimated (this was back in like Feb 2020) that this virus would be so bad that 1% would die of COVID-19 (~3million). Fortunately, it looks like it did not turn out to be nearly as bad, and we have the temporary measures like masking/lockdowns to thank and later the vaccines to help a ton with that. is it perfect? No It sucks for us all to have had to go through this.
So they made up a number, 3 million, and when actual deaths fall far short of this, they took credit for this citing the measures they took.
Any proof?
Course not
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