I78 wrote:
Why doesn't she start with Broad Street? Catherine Ndereba's 53:07 is the course record. Just a win there without breaking the CR would be a huge accomplishment.
According to the RD last night, Jill "has seeded positions on hold at future races based on her performance tomorrow. She is ready."
I78 wrote:
According to the RD last night, Jill "has seeded positions on hold at future races based on her performance tomorrow. She is ready."
Also, before Bob Bodkin RD deletes it:
"The whole record stuff was a scam and dishonest, shame on Bodkin, Sedicum and Greathouse for bringing the name of Rotary in to disrepute. No wonder charities have trouble being taken as completely honest and upstanding these days."
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"Quakertown Rotary The course is tough for a road runner. 600 ft of gain. Not one you would normally choose for a record. Jill needs to get the AR or close. She has seeded positions on hold at future races based on her performance tomorrow. She is ready."
Really weak wrote:
Mr. Habs,
Please don't update us, you are irrelevant.
The clowns trying to hype their event deserve everything they got/get.
If Rotary was involved and a knowing participant they need to be sanctioned.
Disagree re Mr. Habs, please do update us.
Agree re clowns.
Agree re rotary.
I've searched and searched for motive for this dog and pony show.
The only explanation I can think of that makes any sense: complete incompetence and utter stupidity. I think the intention was to generate excitement and gain publicity. I don't think the RD and "doctor" realized just how much attention this would draw. They thought they might sell a few more entries and draw some attention to his business. And it did draw attention for sure... just not in a good way.
I feel badly for Jill. It seems like she's a pawn in this and yet many are wanting to blame her. I wonder if she's just a bit naive and bought into the possibility that she's really some undiscovered phenom on the word of the "doctor."
The RD has been deleting some Facebook comments but has not given even a cursory update like "unfortunately no record was set" or anything and has left many comments about the record attempt.
The whole thing is still really weird.
Dr. Sedicum has a comment on his* Facebook: "Pretty disappointed"
That's all you got?
*Upper Bucks Foot & Ankle. It's supposedly the business Facebook page but it's exclusively about his running.
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calling it like it is wrote:
The RD has been deleting some Facebook comments but has not given even a cursory update like "unfortunately no record was set" or anything and has left many comments about the record attempt.
The whole thing is still really weird.
No it isn't.
This is not that complicated.
They thought it was an innocent little marketing ploy for a little mom & pop race, but they had no idea about the LRC and how they would respond once they got wind of it. The Rotary peeps also probably had no idea of the significance of an AR attempt so they didn't think it was really that big a deal when they announced it. Little did they know.
When they were called on it, they were suddenly in a very awkward position with no graceful way to extricate themselves. So they made the unfortunate decision to stick with their story and insist it was true.
As we are seeing, that did not go well.
That they deserve criticism for what they did is undeniable. But the LRC response has not been, and will not be proportional.
No one comes out looking good in this scenario, but in a year it will all be forgotten.
No serious runners that frequent this board will ever run this race in the future. Understandably so. Other than that, this thing should just be allowed to fade away into the dustbin of running ignominy.
Any updates Mr. Habs???
Mr. Habs,
Now now little man, you and I both know that you are not going to get from the finish of the Quakertown race to Ithaca, NY in time to see the NYS indoor meet .
Not even a decent troll effort....
Yawn.
This whole thing seems odd. Feels like the Russians are up to something.
LydiaRomero wrote:
Disagree re Mr. Habs, please do update us.
Not really much more to say. From being there, I can say that I think that the RDs had very little to do with this. Jill's coach was the one who became the title sponsor and paid for the certification; all the RDs got was a free certification + title sponsor. Jill's coach was present at the race, but Jill wasn't. Like I said, we waited for him to come so Jill's coach delayed the start by 5 or so minutes. Also I admit to not knowing much about how the certification process works, but it seems like whatever had to be done for the record was done. A reporter (and the driver, who I think was some sort of USATF official) was in the pace car the entire time to verify, but it ended up not being needed because Jill didn't come.
And please everyone, be respectful. Personally attacking people isn't warranted at all in this case or pretty much any case, no matter what you think they've done. Almost nobody deserves that.
And to the other guy, my friend driving from another college picked me up at Quakertown after the race and we made it in time to see our HS team run with a few hours to spare. The meet was running late anyways.
Someone needs to admit there is no Jill. If there is, admit she's a hobby jogger.
Upper Bucks is now famous for something that did not happen, well done. Now start making some green and purple inflatable dolls... is that Jill I see now?
habs wrote:
And please everyone, be respectful. Personally attacking people isn't warranted at all in this case or pretty much any case, no matter what you think they've done. Almost nobody deserves that.
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They all got it coming, son.
the only problem with this outcome is that this thread is now over... RIP thread. I had my joyful moments here.
Please alert us all when another crazy PA hobbyjogger pops up! Should probably only be in a few weeks time... what's in the water down there anyway? Looking forward to their claims...
Richard Messineo
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Quakertown Rotary
Quakertown Rotary you assume they update the site every day? Seriously, Don't be on the wrong side of this, Rich. This is real.
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https://www.facebook.com/Quakertown-Rotary-103306433084073/?fref=nf
"This is real." - The man's an idiot.
Nothing is over until we say it is over
bored troLLer wrote:
I've searched and searched for motive for this dog and pony show.
The only explanation I can think of that makes any sense: complete incompetence and utter stupidity. I think the intention was to generate excitement and gain publicity. I don't think the RD and "doctor" realized just how much attention this would draw. They thought they might sell a few more entries and draw some attention to his business. And it did draw attention for sure... just not in a good way.
I feel badly for Jill. It seems like she's a pawn in this and yet many are wanting to blame her. I wonder if she's just a bit naive and bought into the possibility that she's really some undiscovered phenom on the word of the "doctor."
I feel bad for her too. Anyone can confirm she is okay? I keep wondering if she just lied to her coach about the training run time and things snowballed. But how dumb would a coach have to be to think someone will set the AR out of nowhere on a hilly course soloing in a training run on a road course open to traffic. And then be able to follow up a couple weeks later. So then it would seem to be that it is either true or a conspiracy. Feel bad.
Empathy guy wrote:
I feel bad for her too. Anyone can confirm she is okay? I keep wondering if she just lied to her coach about the training run time and things snowballed. But how dumb would a coach have to be to think someone will set the AR out of nowhere on a hilly course soloing in a training run on a road course open to traffic. And then be able to follow up a couple weeks later. So then it would seem to be that it is either true or a conspiracy. Feel bad.
"I keep wondering if she just lied to her coach about the training run time"
FMD give us a break, the three of them were in on it. The one/org I feel empathy for is Rotary.
Bob Bodkin RD on FB:
"Quakertown Rotary Hello everyone, this is Bob Bodkin, Quakertown Rotarian, co-race director, and a runner.
I was not aware that this was getting to be such a big issue until I saw the posts during a brief lay-over in my travels today.
I get it. You are skeptical, and that is understandable. I have seen Jill's training stats and gps data, but I do not possess it, and I have not run with her (as if I could keep up anyway), so no, I do not have the proof you are looking for. I will attempt to get your questions answered, though. From the data I saw, I think this is legit, though.
This race is one of two major fundraising events for our small charitable organization, and as Sean Stetler mentioned, it is a great race. I ran in the race for years, and it became one of the reasons I joined the Rotary. ALL the proceeds go to help the Quakertown and Palisades Youth through several programs and grants we provide to other organizations.
When I got the call asking if the course was certified and the reason why, I was excited not only for Jill, but for our race. An AR in Qtown! What a great way to grow our race!"