Official LRC President Joseph R Biden Thread

Fat hurts wrote:

agip wrote:

Could have foreseen this.

Paywalled so I don't have the details, but sounds like FL is, of course, playing loose with the data.

Officially the covid death toll in FL is falling fast. Not sure how to treat that.

I was going to post about that when I noticed it on the Worldometer. Cases still spiking but deaths plummeting?

Then I looked at other sources which do not show this anomaly.

It was something else . . . cause of death. Like claiming the cause of death was a heart attack and not a car accident that crushed a person's chest. The person survived the accident for X hours therefore that was the cause of death. DeSantis has been playing that data game for about a year. He needs the better optics for his 2024 run for the White House.

blank field wrote:

The person survived the accident for X hours therefore that was NOT the cause of death.

FIXED

Racket, PhD wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

Gas? Who still uses gas?

Working class and low income people.

There are roughly 1 million electric cars on the road in the US

There are roughly 290 million cars on the road in the US.

Conclusion: Over 99 percent of Americans are working class and low income.

Sad state of affairs.

Real Obvi wrote:

Racket, PhD wrote:

Working class and low income people.

There are roughly 1 million electric cars on the road in the US

There are roughly 290 million cars on the road in the US.

Conclusion: Over 99 percent of Americans are working class and low income.

Sad state of affairs.

But all hyperbole aside, in the US, transportation is 29% of greenhouse emissions. It's one of the easiest sources to cut and we aren't doing much about it. That is sad indeed.

Fat hurts wrote:

Racket, PhD wrote:

Working class and low income people.

Yeah, we need to do something about that. EVs have much lower total cost of ownership, but the sticker price is too high for working class people to buy them. There is legislation that will give up to $12,500 off a new EV.

Then everyone can enjoy clean, quiet, dependable cars where you pay only 2 cents per mile for electricity instead of more than 12 cents per mile for gas.

😂😂😂😂people now are paying 3x the price of gas to charging at public stations. 👎👎👎include huge repair/maintenance costs, increased insurance costs, etc. the poor and working class can’t afford to own an EV. 👎👎👎

blank field wrote:

It was something else . . . cause of death. Like claiming the cause of death was a heart attack and not a car accident that crushed a person's chest. The person survived the accident for X hours therefore that was the cause of death. DeSantis has been playing that data game for about a year. He needs the better optics for his 2024 run for the White House.

The thing is, I think exactly zero people are fooled by this. Anyone smart enough to actually be looking at the data knows what is going on. Anyone not smart enough to be looking at data doesn't see the stats and only knows what they see on the news.

Either way, Florida's Republican citizens are getting slammed by covid and it's pretty obvious to everyone.

Fat hurts wrote:

Real Obvi wrote:

There are roughly 1 million electric cars on the road in the US

There are roughly 290 million cars on the road in the US.

Conclusion: Over 99 percent of Americans are working class and low income.

Sad state of affairs.

But all hyperbole aside, in the US, transportation is 29% of greenhouse emissions. It's one of the easiest sources to cut and we aren't doing much about it. That is sad indeed.

Agreed

Cases are still rising here in Georgia. We're now back at case numbers not seen since mid-January. South Georgia is getting hit very hard right now.

Deaths are starting to climb as well. The 7-day average has risen to over 10/day for the first time since the 1st of June.

Our percent positive tests have risen from below 2% two months up to over 17%.

Hospitalizations are back up to early February levels.

School systems are reporting thousands of cases since schools have started back over the last two weeks.

It's no surprise our cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are rising. Currently, we only have 41% of the population fully vaccinated.

We still face very low vaccination rates due to our trifecta of hesitant vaxxers and anti-vaxxers: Trump-followers, white evangelicals, and African-Americans. We have made great strides in the African-American community, so hopefully we will be able to take them off the list at some point soon. The other two groups don't seem to be moving away from their vaccine hesitancy very much which is troubling.

If these two groups continue to be anti-vax and anti-mask, Georgia will continue to be in a cycle of high cases and high deaths.

BTW, I just got my 3rd shot (booster) this morning.

bare knuckles wrote:

Actually Biden is working hard to stop Republican government overreach. Republican governors are trying to take away the right of communities/ school districts to decide if their community needs masks mandates.

He's really working hard:

Not disagreeing that Georgia is not doing particularly well with COVID right now. But the following statement seems to not be well calibrated:

"Deaths are starting to climb as well. The 7-day average has risen to over 10/day for the first time since the 1st of June."

1) Throughout much of June 7-day average deaths were not just above 10/day but above twice that level with a high of 28 for a 7-day average in the week ending June 10. Perhaps you meant the 1st of July.

2) The 7-day average reached 25 yesterday and still rising. That underlines your point that things are not going well but it seems odd to say that they have risen to over 10/day when they have risen well past twice that level.

At any rate, while much of this appears to be much worse than it could have been with different policies, it should be noted that the current "surge" is peaking right now and will likely be petering out in less than two weeks in Georgia and throughout the US as a whole.

Again, it has nothing to do with white evangelicals. You are simply being bigoted against Christians. It is Republicans who as a group, refuse to be vaccinated.

Of course, a large proportion of white evangelicals are also Republicans.

But the ones who are Democrats have very high vaccination rates. And white evangelicals as a group are much more vaccinated than Republicans as a group.

It's the Republican flu.

Fats is correct

The Economist this week has a table showing the effect of groupings on vaccination rates.

Trump voters are the biggest nightmare murderers of Americans of course.

Then black people do their share of self and American-killing.

After that it's a mush. Being white evangelist doesn't mean much anymore either way in terms of vaccinations. Pretty much the same as the nation.

that said, maybe in S Georgia the whhite evangelicals are anti-vax. There are regional differences.

I’m anti-smug-hypocritical-leftist-Democrat.

Defund the Democrats.

Yet you continue to ignore the 100K Covid spreading illegal aliens crossing the border every month.

Most of the reporting across the states is the date the death was reported. The DPH in Georgia also keeps track of the actually date of death in their data. Believe it or not, deaths from December are still being added to the data here.

Using the the "Date of Death" gives a better picture of what is/was happening at a period in time and it is not clouded by deaths that had occurred weeks and months prior. If you compare the "Date of Death" data to the "Date of Report," as you would expect, the date of death is far less noisy. Of course, there are issues when looking at the date of death data as well - namely the lag in complete data due to delays in reporting.

Looking at the 7-day average of deaths (actualy date of death), the average for July 31st (14 days ago) has risen above 10 for the first time since June 1st. These averages will go up slightly over time, but we will be able to look back historically to see the true impact of the virus rather than relying on the date the deaths were reported.

Since a lot of other states do not have both of these sets of data, it is difficult to compare apples to apples. One has to make the assumption that each state has the same, or at least similar, reporting issues.

No matter which data set you look at the situation in Georgia is not good. I do hope that in less than two weeks the worse of the cases are behind us. We'll still have the mass hospitalizations and deaths that are following though.

the media is corrupt wrote:

agip wrote:

Fats is correct

The Economist this week has a table showing the effect of groupings on vaccination rates.

Trump voters are the biggest nightmare murderers of Americans of course.

Then black people do their share of self and American-killing.

After that it's a mush. Being white evangelist doesn't mean much anymore either way in terms of vaccinations. Pretty much the same as the nation.

that said, maybe in S Georgia the whhite evangelicals are anti-vax. There are regional differences.

I’m anti-smug-hypocritical-leftist-Democrat.

Defund the Democrats.

A classic "I'm going to get covid to show those elites. They're not the boss of me' response.

what a baby.

Fat hurts wrote:

Again, it has nothing to do with white evangelicals. You are simply being bigoted against Christians. It is Republicans who as a group, refuse to be vaccinated.

Of course, a large proportion of white evangelicals are also Republicans.

But the ones who are Democrats have very high vaccination rates. And white evangelicals as a group are much more vaccinated than Republicans as a group.

It's the Republican flu.

To say it has nothing to do with white evangelicals is absurd. I'll assume you are a white evangelical given your defensive reponse. A quick review of the literature on this subject demonstrates it is an issue in the white evangelical community which has led to thousands of needless deaths in the white evangelical community and impacted all other Americans.

I do understand your defensive position. I was quite defensive early on when there was very significant hesitancy among African-Americans. At least our hesitancy was rooted in history and thankfully we are steadily coming out of it. We still have issues, but realizing there is a problem is the first step in resolving the problem.

I challenge you to do some research. Here are some quick articles to get you started. A quick google search will reveal many more. I also challenge you to read them with an open mind.

And I'm not going to get into a back-and-forth with you. My intention is not to change your mind, it is to inform and have a rational discussion with other posters.

Here’s the Economist study that found white evangelicals are not very systematically anti-vaxx any more. A little, but not much.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/07/30/which-americans-are-against-the-jab