Official LRC President Joseph R Biden Thread

The Joe Biden presidency has failed. By acknowledging his recent executive order was illegal and doing it anyway he broke the highest law of the land and his oath to uphold and defend the constitution. For this he should be impeached, removed from office, and barred from running again.

Ha mbo wrote:

Santiago Stephenn wrote:

If the Bolt did catch fire, Flagpole will easily have enough pent-up pee to put it out with no problem.

Another in a long list of problems with EVs is that it takes an extraordinary amount of water to put them out. 🔥🔥🔥🔥fresh meat 🥩better double up on the big gulps. 😂😂😂

https://sfist.com/2021/06/22/as-tesla-fires-require-outlandish-volumes-of-water-to-extinguish-firefighters-grapple-with-ev-batteries/

That's your problem? It takes extra water? How about comparing which type of car catches fire in the first place?

Well, Tesla just yesterday released its annual impact report. Here is what it reported on fires:

Fire incidents are ~11x lower for Tesla vehicles than the average vehicle in the U.S.

When the media reports a story about a vehicle fire, it is usually reporting on an EV fire. This is likely a result of the novelty of EV technology, rather than the prevalence of EV-related fires compared to ICE vehicle-related fires. The reality is, when compared to Tesla vehicles, ICE vehicles catch fire at a vastly higher rate. According to the latest available data, in 2019, there were almost 190,000 vehicle fires in the U.S. alone.

Due to this public misconception, we decided to start publishing vehicle fire data annually. From 2021 to 2020, there has been approximately one Tesla vehicle fire for every 205 million miles traveled. By comparison, data from the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) and the U.S. Department of Transportation show that in the U.S. there is one vehicle fire for every 19 million miles traveled.

In order to provide an apt comparison to NFPA data, Tesla's data set includes instances of vehicle fires caused by structure fires, arson and other reasons unrelated to the vehicle, which account for some of the Tesla vehicle fires of this time period.

We continue to improve safety

We continue to improve our battery chemistry, cell structure, battery pack structure and vehicle passive safety in order to decrease fire risk to as close to zero as possible. As Tesla's vehicle technology continues to improve, fires will be even less likely for our EVs.

Finally, for the rare instances where Tesla vehicles are involved in a fire, we make detailed information available to first responders so they can safely handle those emergency situations.

*Note: The image above is from last year's report. The image from this year's report was unavailable, but was even more impressive as Tesla has reduced its fire risk even more. The updated image and full report is available at:

Don’t you care about the environment chicken little. 😂😂😂😂🐥🐥🐥 you’re buying cars that take tens of thousands of gallons of water to put out. Sometimes it takes what a month’s worth of water usage for a city to put out one EV fire. Think of the children chicken little. Think of the children 😬😬😬😬😬

😂😂😂😂😂

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-sophisticated-or-superspreader

Serious question for the older folks - have you ever seen the country this divided before?

Pontoise wrote:

Serious question for the older folks - have you ever seen the country this divided before?

this is a key, key question

I was born in the late 60s so I only sort of felt the problems of the time, but from what I've read the Vietnam era was pretty bad - probably worse because of the life or death stakes of Vietnam. And on top of that were the much nastier racial wars.

There were riots, lots of violence, sharply divided familes...and very terribly, assassinations. If politicians start getting killed for their beliefs like they did in the 60s/70s...then we are really in for it. Not happening yet.

But don't sleep on the vietnam era - I think that was worse than now. But I was a baby.

Think of the children that die in all those gas car fires. Gas cars catch on fire 11x more than EVs.

EVs are safer for everyone.

If you buy a new gas car you are destroying the planet.

agip wrote:

Pontoise wrote:

Serious question for the older folks - have you ever seen the country this divided before?

this is a key, key question

I was born in the late 60s so I only sort of felt the problems of the time, but from what I've read the Vietnam era was pretty bad - probably worse because of the life or death stakes of Vietnam. And on top of that were the much nastier racial wars.

There were riots, lots of violence, sharply divided familes...and very terribly, assassinations. If politicians start getting killed for their beliefs like they did in the 60s/70s...then we are really in for it. Not happening yet.

But don't sleep on the vietnam era - I think that was worse than now. But I was a baby.

And of course, the country was most divided during the Civil War. It's so obvious, we forget it.

The problem is, if we continue down our current path we will reach Vietnam level division and possibly even a second Civil War. If Trump had been more sucessful with his coup, we might have gotten there. And he came very close to pulling it off.

Agree. And very late in the Vietnam War, we had a president who did some bad and illegal things. Arguably far less in both quantity and nature than Trump. And his party said, "That's it, Dick, you're done." And so it was.

Fully one half of our political being - with the support of roughly one half of our voters - has utterly failed what Trump made a VERY simple test: Is he bad enough to get rid of? Is he the best that we can find? Is he good enough to keep supporting and keep essentially in charge of the party?

Add to this the fact that one of his transgressions was trying to steal an election, and I have a pretty easy time deciding that the U.S. is in worse shape than at any time since the Civil War.

Addendum: And what does it say that placing only SECOND on his list of transgressions was (arguably), "Partially facilitated and clearly didn't give a sh** about over 600,000 American deaths." What a country.

Fat hurts wrote:

Ha mbo wrote:

Don’t you care about the environment chicken little. 😂😂😂😂🐥🐥🐥 you’re buying cars that take tens of thousands of gallons of water to put out. Sometimes it takes what a month’s worth of water usage for a city to put out one EV fire. Think of the children chicken little. Think of the children 😬😬😬😬😬

Think of the children that die in all those gas car fires. Gas cars catch on fire 11x more than EVs.

EVs are safer for everyone.

If you buy a new gas car you are destroying the planet.

7 hours to put an EV fire out? 30,000 gallons? 🔥🔥🔥🔥these things are dangerous and use up precious resources. 👎👎👎plus it traps people inside. These are rolling death traps and bad for the environment. 👎👎👎🔥🔥 chicken little you owe it to the children to stop driving 🐥🐥🐥

Fat hurts wrote:

Pontoise wrote:

Serious question for the older folks - have you ever seen the country this divided before?

And of course, the country was most divided during the Civil War. It's so obvious, we forget it.

The problem is, if we continue down our current path we will reach Vietnam level division and possibly even a second Civil War. If Trump had been more sucessful with his coup, we might have gotten there. And he came very close to pulling it off.

The Civil War was localized. There were fewer states and many were not involved in the fighting at all. A civil war today would simply not work. There are too many states and places one side must take over, control, and keep at peace. There aren't enough dedicated insurrections to make their dream of Dictator/King Trump come true. . . . And then there is the issue of the U.S. military. There is no chance that a commander-in-chief could proclaim themselves ruler for life, and then direct the military to launch attacks against cities and states that were "mean" to the self-anointed king.

Cuomo has resigned.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/pandemic-hero-andrew-cuomo-finally-resigns-in-disgrace

Ha mbo wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

Think of the children that die in all those gas car fires. Gas cars catch on fire 11x more than EVs.

EVs are safer for everyone.

If you buy a new gas car you are destroying the planet.

7 hours to put an EV fire out? 30,000 gallons? 🔥🔥🔥🔥these things are dangerous and use up precious resources. 👎👎👎plus it traps people inside. These are rolling death traps and bad for the environment. 👎👎👎🔥🔥 chicken little you owe it to the children to stop driving 🐥🐥🐥

https://13wham.com/news/spotlight-on-america/ev-fires-are-hard-to-fight-and-pose-new-hazards-inside-the-race-to-get-responders-ready

The best fire is no fire at all. Again, gas cars catch fire 11x more than EVs.

And the rare EV fires are easier to survive. When an EV does catch fire, it starts small with a little smoke. It takes a long time to reach thermal runaway, so you have plenty of time to get out. That's why not a single person has even been injured in the 12 Bolt fires. (Yeah, only 12 worldwide and nobody got hurt)

But with a gas car, the flames spread very fast and can even explode instantly.

We have over 500 car fires PER DAY in the US. But EV fires are so rare, they make the news.

If you buy a new gas car you are putting your family at risk of being burned alive.

Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:

Cuomo has resigned.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/pandemic-hero-andrew-cuomo-finally-resigns-in-disgrace

Fredo should resign too.

Since you seem to only care about resources and not so much about death and injury, let's put it a different way.

Every year we have 190,000 vehicle fires in the U.S. But when everyone drives an EV, it will cut that down to 17,272.

That means EVs will eventually save the fire department 172,728 fire calls every year. That's 172,728 less times they have to respond and risk their own lives saving others. And it saves 172,728 times they have to soak the gas cars with your precious water.

The Civil War was localized? Every state sent soldiers. Every state was involved in fighting. Every state was affected by resources shortages. In fact, the war was so widespread that vessels from the American Civil War led to conflict in Australia and Union ships were captured by confederates north of Australia in the Pacific Ocean.

But to your larger point that "There is no chance that a commander-in-chief could proclaim themselves ruler for life, and then direct the military to launch attacks against cities and states.." I could not disagree more. It has happened throughout history and is happening today. Just look at Putin or Erdoğan.

If it were not for a handful of brave men and women in our government today, there is a very real chance that Trump would still be in power by overturning a free and fair election. And if that happened he could maintain that power until he dies.

Everyone thinks, "it can't happen here", until it does.

And it almost did.

Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:

Cuomo has resigned.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/pandemic-hero-andrew-cuomo-finally-resigns-in-disgrace

Good riddance.

Now it's your turn to say the same thing about Trump.