Official Covid Vaccine thread

Covidiocy wrote:

At this point, nobody thinks you and Harambe are different people. It’s too obvious. You change your tone and verbiage slightly, but it’s painfully obvious.

I’m arguing what I’ve always argued. While the “vaccines” do provide a net benefit (and this is important) for high risk groups and the elderly (let’s call it 65+), they were unnecessary for a great many people, people who could’ve implemented some basics to drastically improve overall course of illness and outcomes. I can and have provided data that natural immunity is just as good as, and, in some cases better than “jab-induced” immunity, but you don’t like the data, wherever it’s from Israel or Qatar or Europe or Cleveland Clinic. And, frankly nobody is or has really looked to try to prove this. The vast majority of subsidies have gone toward research trying to support the jabs. Just like VAERS is only as good as the data, but it’s not clean and pristine, as many doctors have alerted to. Can’t really fairly assess incomplete data.

It’s like this Topol opinion piece. He is theorizing the bivalent booster is providing a broader response, but primarily in the 65+ cohort and only in terms of increased antibodies, which wane over three to four months. Offit clearly doesn’t think the bivalent is a key piece of the strategy with a rapidly mutating virus, and he was pissed they weren’t provided early clinical data, which actually showed no strong clinical correlate versus just boosting with wild type.

There is a signal that these vaccines are doing damage, and more and more doctors are waking up to this fact and asking for the jabs to be pulled, especially for certain sub-groups of people. Plus, Big Pharma is dragging their feet with regard to providing data that may prove adversarial to the pro-jab narrative.

Link:www.theepochtimes.com/deadline-passes-...

I bring Japan up, because it’s about the best example we have of a largely homogenous population that is compliant, both with vaccination and masking. It’s *possibly* a canary in the coal mine. They are struggling with their worst caseload and death rate since the pandemic started, something you tried to dismiss when I first brought it up six weeks ago. This is primarily with the innocuous BA.5 strain that Topol himself said is innocuous. So, the question is why? Are we seeing the worst of imprinting? Are we seeing an abnormal immune response, like increased IgG4, which, while ubiquitous, shouldn’t be increasing so much with these jabs. I don’t know, but neither do you.

All I can say is I feel great being in the control group, with an immune system that has mounted a broad and durable response against all the major epitopes. I am your confounder. It pisses you off to no end that I exist and I have plenty of unjabbed friends and family who are doing just fine even though they’re supposed to be dead or have long Covid, while I also know four people who have died related to the jabs. The only people getting sick are the vaccinated, including my quadruple jabbed mother. This IS observational data.

Personally, I’d be sweating it if I were young and thrice jabbed. But, you guys do you. Anyone who doesn’t advocate the mainstream narrative must be a grifter or charlatan. No room for dissent. Honestly, we ARE all wasting time at this point.

Harambe wrote:

Covidiocy wrote:

At this point, nobody thinks you and Harambe are different people. It’s too obvious. You change your tone and verbiage slightly, but it’s painfully obvious.

I’m arguing what I’ve always argued. While the “vaccines” do provide a net benefit (and this is important) for high risk groups and the elderly (let’s call it 65+), they were unnecessary for a great many people, people who could’ve implemented some basics to drastically improve overall course of illness and outcomes. I can and have provided data that natural immunity is just as good as, and, in some cases better than “jab-induced” immunity, but you don’t like the data, wherever it’s from Israel or Qatar or Europe or Cleveland Clinic. And, frankly nobody is or has really looked to try to prove this. The vast majority of subsidies have gone toward research trying to support the jabs. Just like VAERS is only as good as the data, but it’s not clean and pristine, as many doctors have alerted to. Can’t really fairly assess incomplete data.

It’s like this Topol opinion piece. He is theorizing the bivalent booster is providing a broader response, but primarily in the 65+ cohort and only in terms of increased antibodies, which wane over three to four months. Offit clearly doesn’t think the bivalent is a key piece of the strategy with a rapidly mutating virus, and he was pissed they weren’t provided early clinical data, which actually showed no strong clinical correlate versus just boosting with wild type.

There is a signal that these vaccines are doing damage, and more and more doctors are waking up to this fact and asking for the jabs to be pulled, especially for certain sub-groups of people. Plus, Big Pharma is dragging their feet with regard to providing data that may prove adversarial to the pro-jab narrative.

Link:www.theepochtimes.com/deadline-passes-...

I bring Japan up, because it’s about the best example we have of a largely homogenous population that is compliant, both with vaccination and masking. It’s *possibly* a canary in the coal mine. They are struggling with their worst caseload and death rate since the pandemic started, something you tried to dismiss when I first brought it up six weeks ago. This is primarily with the innocuous BA.5 strain that Topol himself said is innocuous. So, the question is why? Are we seeing the worst of imprinting? Are we seeing an abnormal immune response, like increased IgG4, which, while ubiquitous, shouldn’t be increasing so much with these jabs. I don’t know, but neither do you.

All I can say is I feel great being in the control group, with an immune system that has mounted a broad and durable response against all the major epitopes. I am your confounder. It pisses you off to no end that I exist and I have plenty of unjabbed friends and family who are doing just fine even though they’re supposed to be dead or have long Covid, while I also know four people who have died related to the jabs. The only people getting sick are the vaccinated, including my quadruple jabbed mother. This IS observational data.

Personally, I’d be sweating it if I were young and thrice jabbed. But, you guys do you. Anyone who doesn’t advocate the mainstream narrative must be a grifter or charlatan. No room for dissent. Honestly, we ARE all wasting time at this point.

1) Never posted as 2600 bro. Sorry it’s frustrating to have multiple people call you out. Welcome to the real world. This isn’t school

2) There was compelling data for the non-inferiority (or even superiority) if “natural immunity” pre-omicron. Post-omicron, it’s clear that vaccination gives broader immunity that is just as durable. The reason we don’t have a definitive answer is because these things are very time consuming and expensive to study- not because people were designing studies to make the vaccine look good. Just conspiracy theory BS when science doesn’t give you the results you want (or fatigue from having to keep up with complex and changing literature).

3)The benefit for the jab has demonstrated against severe disease for all age groups for which it has been approved. This is indisputable. When you excluded mild disease you really made my job easier. And, no, nobody else thinks that taking huge amounts of expensive supplement concoctions is a suitable substitute to the vaccine — efficacy-, safety-, or value-wise.

4) The only safety signals we have seen are clotting issues with the DNA vaccines and myocarditis with the mRNA in a small subpopulation. Both of these were identified by pharma, regulators, and mainstream doctors (how boring!). Nobody is “waking up” now — it’s grifters trying to make money of people who are scientifically illiterate. I’ve been told “the dam is breaking” for over a year now. You guys start to look at bit desperate.

5) Japan had seen much less infections than most other places. They also have something like 1/4 of the deaths/capita of the USA despite rapidly catching up now in seroprevalence. We don’t care about mild disease so you shouldn’t even mention caseload, just a reminder.

There is no evidence that vaccine efficacy is worse than expected in Japan. The base rate fallacy is a continuing stumbling block for antivaxxers such as yourself.
Your entire Japan argument boils down to “the vaccines aren’t 100% effective.” Please come with more compelling data than that. I know you’re capable.

6) I do not care that you decided not to get the vax and that your compadres didn’t either. I have long since come to terms with the fact that that are millions of very gullible people out there. At least folks like that are easy to make some money off of.

7) Anyone who presents anecdotes of their sisters friends blue haired democrat barista dying from the vax as “data” is a charlatan and a fraud. Simple as that. They are laughing at you all the way to the bank. But hey, maybe if enough of these fabricated anecdotes die from the vax you guys can finally beat some Mueller-loving Facebook moms in an election lol.

joedlrtbaII wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Also, the risk of death from COVID may be small for under 25s but the risk of hospitalization and lingering effects that greatly affect quality of life is much higher. Good thing vaccination protects against that!

BS. Please provide a study that defends this BS premise. Pediatric hospitalizations cratered in 2020 during COVID (by like 45%).

Link:publications.aap.org/pediatrics/articl...

They bumped up during Omicron (almost exclusively in those under 5 that weren't cleared for vaccination anyhow). With acquired immunity that pretty much everyone got during the Omicron pandemic, there is little to no reason to vaccinate / booster young, healthy individuals, and this is defended by an individual who has been on the FDA / CDC vaccine advisory boards.

Link:www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp221...

"In the meantime, I believe we should stop trying to prevent all symptomatic infections in healthy, young people by boosting them with vaccines containing mRNA from strains that might disappear a few months later."

Harambe wrote:

joedlrtbaII wrote:

BS. Please provide a study that defends this BS premise. Pediatric hospitalizations cratered in 2020 during COVID (by like 45%).

Link:publications.aap.org/pediatrics/articl...

They bumped up during Omicron (almost exclusively in those under 5 that weren't cleared for vaccination anyhow). With acquired immunity that pretty much everyone got during the Omicron pandemic, there is little to no reason to vaccinate / booster young, healthy individuals, and this is defended by an individual who has been on the FDA / CDC vaccine advisory boards.

Link:www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp221...

"In the meantime, I believe we should stop trying to prevent all symptomatic infections in healthy, young people by boosting them with vaccines containing mRNA from strains that might disappear a few months later."

Hospitalizations in young adults happen and vaccination significantly lessens the risk:

Link:covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#covi...

There is really no dispute about that. You can call it 'BS' because you don't like that COVID is a risk, but that doesn't change the facts.

You can try to hide behind raw hospitalization rates but that's not fair. It's like saying 'well less kids died in car crashes in 2020 so we can accept some additional COVID mortality!' Immoral and wrong.

Also, It's proven that vaccination on-top of a single infection is far superior -- especially if that infection was Omicron.

The specific argument about bivalent boosting and its efficacy against mild disease is, I agree, more nuanced but has nothing to do with preventing hospitalizations. Young adults who got 3x shots are much better protected against hospitalization than those who didn't.