This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
Honestly I can’t figure out what Covidicy is arguing. The vaccines are terrible… but only against mild disease which no one cares about. The booster sucks except only the bivalent and uhhh I guess only against mild disease which no one cares about. And imprinting could be happening and dampening the response against mild disease… which no one cares about. So his major gripes are over things “no one cares about!” Im sense just general discontent search for a sensible reason lol.
At this point, nobody thinks you and Harambe are different people. It’s too obvious. You change your tone and verbiage slightly, but it’s painfully obvious.
I’m arguing what I’ve always argued. While the “vaccines” do provide a net benefit (and this is important) for high risk groups and the elderly (let’s call it 65+), they were unnecessary for a great many people, people who could’ve implemented some basics to drastically improve overall course of illness and outcomes. I can and have provided data that natural immunity is just as good as, and, in some cases better than “jab-induced” immunity, but you don’t like the data, wherever it’s from Israel or Qatar or Europe or Cleveland Clinic. And, frankly nobody is or has really looked to try to prove this. The vast majority of subsidies have gone toward research trying to support the jabs. Just like VAERS is only as good as the data, but it’s not clean and pristine, as many doctors have alerted to. Can’t really fairly assess incomplete data.
It’s like this Topol opinion piece. He is theorizing the bivalent booster is providing a broader response, but primarily in the 65+ cohort and only in terms of increased antibodies, which wane over three to four months. Offit clearly doesn’t think the bivalent is a key piece of the strategy with a rapidly mutating virus, and he was pissed they weren’t provided early clinical data, which actually showed no strong clinical correlate versus just boosting with wild type.
There is a signal that these vaccines are doing damage, and more and more doctors are waking up to this fact and asking for the jabs to be pulled, especially for certain sub-groups of people. Plus, Big Pharma is dragging their feet with regard to providing data that may prove adversarial to the pro-jab narrative.
I bring Japan up, because it’s about the best example we have of a largely homogenous population that is compliant, both with vaccination and masking. It’s *possibly* a canary in the coal mine. They are struggling with their worst caseload and death rate since the pandemic started, something you tried to dismiss when I first brought it up six weeks ago. This is primarily with the innocuous BA.5 strain that Topol himself said is innocuous. So, the question is why? Are we seeing the worst of imprinting? Are we seeing an abnormal immune response, like increased IgG4, which, while ubiquitous, shouldn’t be increasing so much with these jabs. I don’t know, but neither do you.
All I can say is I feel great being in the control group, with an immune system that has mounted a broad and durable response against all the major epitopes. I am your confounder. It pisses you off to no end that I exist and I have plenty of unjabbed friends and family who are doing just fine even though they’re supposed to be dead or have long Covid, while I also know four people who have died related to the jabs. The only people getting sick are the vaccinated, including my quadruple jabbed mother. This IS observational data.
Personally, I’d be sweating it if I were young and thrice jabbed. But, you guys do you. Anyone who doesn’t advocate the mainstream narrative must be a grifter or charlatan. No room for dissent. Honestly, we ARE all wasting time at this point.
1) Never posted as 2600 bro. Sorry it’s frustrating to have multiple people call you out. Welcome to the real world. This isn’t school
2) There was compelling data for the non-inferiority (or even superiority) if “natural immunity” pre-omicron. Post-omicron, it’s clear that vaccination gives broader immunity that is just as durable. The reason we don’t have a definitive answer is because these things are very time consuming and expensive to study- not because people were designing studies to make the vaccine look good. Just conspiracy theory BS when science doesn’t give you the results you want (or fatigue from having to keep up with complex and changing literature).
3)The benefit for the jab has demonstrated against severe disease for all age groups for which it has been approved. This is indisputable. When you excluded mild disease you really made my job easier. And, no, nobody else thinks that taking huge amounts of expensive supplement concoctions is a suitable substitute to the vaccine — efficacy-, safety-, or value-wise.
4) The only safety signals we have seen are clotting issues with the DNA vaccines and myocarditis with the mRNA in a small subpopulation. Both of these were identified by pharma, regulators, and mainstream doctors (how boring!). Nobody is “waking up” now — it’s grifters trying to make money of people who are scientifically illiterate. I’ve been told “the dam is breaking” for over a year now. You guys start to look at bit desperate.
5) Japan had seen much less infections than most other places. They also have something like 1/4 of the deaths/capita of the USA despite rapidly catching up now in seroprevalence. We don’t care about mild disease so you shouldn’t even mention caseload, just a reminder.
There is no evidence that vaccine efficacy is worse than expected in Japan. The base rate fallacy is a continuing stumbling block for antivaxxers such as yourself. Your entire Japan argument boils down to “the vaccines aren’t 100% effective.” Please come with more compelling data than that. I know you’re capable.
6) I do not care that you decided not to get the vax and that your compadres didn’t either. I have long since come to terms with the fact that that are millions of very gullible people out there. At least folks like that are easy to make some money off of.
7) Anyone who presents anecdotes of their sisters friends blue haired democrat barista dying from the vax as “data” is a charlatan and a fraud. Simple as that. They are laughing at you all the way to the bank. But hey, maybe if enough of these fabricated anecdotes die from the vax you guys can finally beat some Mueller-loving Facebook moms in an election lol.
Anyone who presents anecdotes of their sisters friends blue haired democrat barista dying from the vax as “data” is a charlatan and a fraud. Simple as that. They are laughing at you all the way to the bank. But hey, maybe if enough of these fabricated anecdotes die from the vax you guys can finally beat some Mueller-loving Facebook moms in an election lol.
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It’s true man. The infowars and bitchute links are out in the open now. It’s all gonna crumble. Fight on soldier.
Yup. That’s where it comes from. The quacks. Alex Jones, Campbell the YouTube entertainer, some “scientist” in front of a supermarket listening to Glenn Beck type podcast warning that if I take Covid vaccine I’ll drop dead, and CNAs at nursing homes seeing lots of deaths and concluding the vaccine is the cause.
Pretty spot on. And they all surprisingly have something to sell you or a newsletter to subscribe to.
But, don’t worry, they’re doing it out of the goodness of their hearts.
They post something they think demonstrates something when it’s garbage and then accuse the public health authorities of hiding the trash.
1) Never posted as 2600 bro. Sorry it’s frustrating to have multiple people call you out. Welcome to the real world. This isn’t school
2) There was compelling data for the non-inferiority (or even superiority) if “natural immunity” pre-omicron. Post-omicron, it’s clear that vaccination gives broader immunity that is just as durable. The reason we don’t have a definitive answer is because these things are very time consuming and expensive to study- not because people were designing studies to make the vaccine look good. Just conspiracy theory BS when science doesn’t give you the results you want (or fatigue from having to keep up with complex and changing literature).
3)The benefit for the jab has demonstrated against severe disease for all age groups for which it has been approved. This is indisputable. When you excluded mild disease you really made my job easier. And, no, nobody else thinks that taking huge amounts of expensive supplement concoctions is a suitable substitute to the vaccine — efficacy-, safety-, or value-wise.
4) The only safety signals we have seen are clotting issues with the DNA vaccines and myocarditis with the mRNA in a small subpopulation. Both of these were identified by pharma, regulators, and mainstream doctors (how boring!). Nobody is “waking up” now — it’s grifters trying to make money of people who are scientifically illiterate. I’ve been told “the dam is breaking” for over a year now. You guys start to look at bit desperate.
5) Japan had seen much less infections than most other places. They also have something like 1/4 of the deaths/capita of the USA despite rapidly catching up now in seroprevalence. We don’t care about mild disease so you shouldn’t even mention caseload, just a reminder.
There is no evidence that vaccine efficacy is worse than expected in Japan. The base rate fallacy is a continuing stumbling block for antivaxxers such as yourself. Your entire Japan argument boils down to “the vaccines aren’t 100% effective.” Please come with more compelling data than that. I know you’re capable.
6) I do not care that you decided not to get the vax and that your compadres didn’t either. I have long since come to terms with the fact that that are millions of very gullible people out there. At least folks like that are easy to make some money off of.
7) Anyone who presents anecdotes of their sisters friends blue haired democrat barista dying from the vax as “data” is a charlatan and a fraud. Simple as that. They are laughing at you all the way to the bank. But hey, maybe if enough of these fabricated anecdotes die from the vax you guys can finally beat some Mueller-loving Facebook moms in an election lol.
“The documentary Died Suddenly has been criticized as promoting “debunked” anti-vaccine conspiracy theories but has been seen by some 15 million people.”….
“Voters with annual incomes below $30,000 are most likely to think there are legitimate reasons to be concerned about the safety of COVID-19 vaccines, while those with incomes above $200,000 are most likely to believe people who worry about vaccine safety are spreading conspiracy theories.“
Nearly half of Americans think COVID-19 vaccines may be to blame for many unexplained deaths, and more than a quarter say someone they know could be among the victims.
Also, the risk of death from COVID may be small for under 25s but the risk of hospitalization and lingering effects that greatly affect quality of life is much higher. Good thing vaccination protects against that!
They view a young and healthy person getting infected with Covid as this binary outcome, death or no death, without considering the risk of long Covid, which is real (although many who think they have long Covid don’t actually have it and actually have something else).
This week, I am celebrating 1 year since I acquired robust durable protection from Covid-19 through naturally acquired immunity. 2 days of mild flu-like symptoms was a lot easier to take than the horrific side effects suffered by Millions of poor souls who took the mRNA goop.
Walked 4 miles yesterday in the brisk winter air. What a great time to be alive, healthy and UNVAXXED.
My 3 jabs have expired. Got the option for a fourth.
Already had Covid, was unpleasant, but not too bad.
Would you have 4th or not bother?
Are you younger and otherwise healthy? Your risk for severe disease is quite small but an additional dose will lower it further. I wouldn’t stress one way or another honestly. If you’re 60+ I would get it.
I'm also celebrating my one year ago victory over the dreaded Omicron variant. I had a stuffy nose and cold for a couple days. Haven't gotten sick since.
No clot shot ever, no flu shot ever. My natural immunity remains undefeated.
Pure blood, no spike proteins, no calamari clots in my system.
FWIW I got the bivalent and I’m youngish and healthy. Waited until we had some quality observational data to show it reduced risk of severe and mild (gasp!) disease.
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