girl power...There are a few women on this board!

Flagpole wrote:

As long as you don't then get irritated with any young males calling women "babe" or things of that nature, then I've got no problem with your name.

Why would any woman or anyone else care what you think.

Looks like this has turned into the flagpole thread. :)

Scotth,

What are you even talking about? No generalizations from me - that would mean I said that something applied to ALL women, and I didn't say that.

Again, these women can post here just as well as anyone else can, and if for some reason they decide not to post, then that is of their own choosing and has nothing to do with anything that I might say. I encourage them to post. I'd prefer that they would, but I know that a strong femal contingent here won't happen. I'd love someone to prove me wrong, but this board will continue to be dominated by men.

Again, look at

www.fast-women.com

and see how infrequently anyone posts there, and you then get an idea of how women will post about running - hardly at all. I don't deal with feelings or guesses or imagined things - I am a facts-oriented person, and I just say what the facts are, and the facts are that women haven't posted here a lot, they didn't post before I became a regular member, their posting habits have nothing to do with anything I say, and beyond a spike of interest here and there, they will not continue to do so. I still don't see what your deal with me on this subject is. What would you like me to do? Beg them to post here? Even if I did that, they wouldn't.

16x,

You are an exception to this - you post frequently and seem to like debating - this is not something that most women enjoy however - call me sterotypical or whatever, but that is my experience that what I say is true, and if you can prove me otherwise by showing me a web site where women discuss and debate running frequently, then I will eat my words.

I always offer an apology when one is needed - none is needed here. Apology not tendered.

Quite funny actually - Pete thinks aloud that you ought to enjoy being called "girls", I give my opinion that any female 18 and over is definitely a "woman" and deserves to be called that out of respect, and yet I am the one chastized on this thread?

How the hell did that happen? - just because I said most women don't want to carry on debates on a message board? How is that even a put down in any way. Well, dunes runner, how often do you post? Hardly ever. Look at the people who post here most often, and not one in the top 20 is a woman. Doesn't matter what the reasons are, but the fact remains that women don't like to carry on discussion and debate on a message board. I've been a regular poster on several different message boards, all dealing with topic areas that should be of equal interest to both men and women, and guess what, the men outnumber the women at least 9 to 1. Some of you people are so sensitive (and I'm not singling out women - scotth is one who is too sensitive). I don't even know how anything I've said could be construed as offensive whatsoever - quite the contrary. Someone feel free to spell it out for me and I will consider.

scotth and dunes runner, need to get their balls out of their mothers' purse. they are a bunch of boobies that need their mouths permanently shut to prevent the excrement from coming out. once again... geeks.

we are "testy" because we lack testicles. we have to make up for it some way.

Flagpole, it is true that men outnumber the women as far as posting and probably in overall number on letsrun.com. However, I don't think it is because women don't like to debate. Maybe women don't post as much because frankly, it's pointless and boring. It's boring to hear the same crap stated and restated much how this thread has progressed. It's pointless to argue with someone who is just going to spew out the same thing they said in their last 5 posts, no matter what the argument.

Now I'm not saying all posting is boring and pointless, but some of these epic threads with their filibuster posters can become a little hard to bear.

And some studies have shown that when men and women are in mixed groups in a classroom type setting that men do tend to voice their opinions more than women. I feel the need to state the obvious here: this doesn't mean women don't have opinions or aren't intelligent, but tend to voice their opinions less than men and thats it.

geez...talk about filibuster posters

Damn baby girl!!!!!! You visiting Tempe again soon? OHHHH SHIIIIIITTTTT

Flagpole, you said that women don't like to debate and rather than argue their point, they would rather not respond at all. You're saying women are in general passive-agressive. I wouldn't consider this a good thing to have generalized about 50% of the population nor do I think it is accurate.

Looking at all these exceptionally mature posts on this thread I can't help but not be totally puzzled at why women don't just love to post on this board?

I think a woman's place in the kitchen, silent, and baking peanut butter cookies.

And a man's place is sucking my clit...

Brifontaine,

Listen to this and believe it - YOU AND I AGREE 100%!

It doesn't matter what the reason is why many women don't want to debate, only that they don't. You said it is because most of it is pointless and boring - ok fine - I actually agree that most of the debate that goes on here is boring and pointless, and yet the men continue to do it anyway, and the women don't. I said in that very first post of mine that it is perhaps showing a very positive side of women that they don't engage in debate more often. I only said that women don't enjoy debating as much as the men do, and you just confirmed my belief. Now that you agree with me, how can anyone be irritated by what I've said?

Tara,

I did not call women passive-aggressive, and in fact in my experience I've seen more men engage in passive-aggressive behavior than women.

Couple of things for you:

1) You don't know the definition of passive-aggressive, because the example you gave would simply be a passive person (if that - they could be indifferent) and not passive aggressive. To have the aggressive part there needs to be something that the passive person is doing to get back at the other person - simply not responding on a message board does not do that. Here's an example of passive-aggressive behavior - a person allows his or her spouse/partner to beat them without fighting back. They do this in the hopes that the beater will feel extra bad about it because the beatee allowed it to continue without fighting back - THAT is passive-aggressive behavior.

2) Saying that women in general don't like to respond on message boards isn't even calling them passive. I said in that first post on this subject that it perhaps is a GOOD thing that they don't engage in debate (or as Brifontaine called it boring and pointless discussion - which I agree with by the way).

3) To be honest here a bit Tara, your commenting on certain posts here that might keep many women away is kind of like the pot calling the kettle black considering your past posting behavior under another name. Can't do what you did (and I warned you about that) and then get on your high horse immediately afterwards when it didn't turn out like you had hoped. At least put some reasonable posting history behind you before you get on that high horse.

Flagpole:

I see where your coming from, but what you eluded to in your post way back when is that women don't post because they don't like it when someone disagrees with them.

You must be able to see where the generalization denotes a number of stereotypes: like we can't handle the conflict, etc. I know that might not have been your intention - but hopefully you can see where generalizations (like the one I made about you yesterday) can ignite a flame.

How are you doing today? It's a beautiful day in Columbus is it not? A beautiful day in the neighborhood...

by the way, you owe us an apology for the statement. don't rationalize it.

Very clever comeback.

huh wrote:

scotth and dunes runner, need to get their balls out of their mothers' purse. they are a bunch of boobies that need their mouths permanently shut to prevent the excrement from coming out. once again... geeks.

Sentiments like yours continue to set men back 250 years. Thanks very little.

Well said.

1) I agree, passive aggressive was the wrong term.

2) I'm still not comfortable with you saying that women don't like to be disagreed with and would rather be passive and not even argue their point. I'd hope for most women that this is not how they operate, as I wouldn't see it as a good thing.

3) jasonlover was a parody of Jason. She gave largely undue praise to Jason and ranted about how he was so hot. She made herself gain the reputation as the Letsrun ho, but she never attacked or said things to make other females uncomfortable. Still, I'm hardly totally innocent and was only pointing out why women don't like to post on this board, the fact that the guys act immaturely on this board is true regardless of my past posting.

Flagpole, I know you're good at this message board thing, I feel fairly defeated. I don't mind, thanks for keeping me honest. ;)

16x,

I will give you this - I can see how someone might have misunderstood what I was saying. But, in the same breath, I will say that any irritation with me is the result of that misunderstanding.

No one particularly likes it when they are disagreed with. MOST men will argue a point on a message board when they are disagreed with, and MOST women will not - that's my view, and if you want to be upset with that then fine. It could be the medium. I've certainly seen women have debate before, but that was always in person; face-to-face. For whatever reason, the behaviors that I have described with regard to men and women on message boards is true - make your own conclusions as to what that means.

I have no opinions of women that would make them weak, unintelligent, less important than men, or anything of the sort. I love and respect women, and my wife is the smartest person I have ever met or even talked to, and she is way smarter than I am.

Tara,

No need to feel defeated. I was not out to defeat you but to defend my point. I am not good at "this message board thing". I am good though at accurately describing my point and finding flaws in other people's points when they disagree with me - and yes, if someone disagrees with me then they have a flaw with their point. I will say that, others won't, but it is true for all of us. If you disagree with me, then you feel there is a flaw in my reasoning.

I had a girlfriend once who said to me, "You always think you're right when we have an argument." Um Yeah, that's why we're arguing. I could have said the same to her. Anyway, fortunately arguing is not a part of my married life - discussion, listening, understanding and compromise is what my lovely wife deserves at all times.