Almaz Ayana speaks!

you guys understand NIKE signed her for the Women's 2:10 Project, right?

LKJLKJ wrote:

you guys understand NIKE signed her for the Women's 2:10 Project, right?

Ha, ha - if she managed to lower the female record to sub 2.10 , I would definitely question her legitimacy.

Obviously until she runs a marathon we have no bead on her potential, but given her ability and preference to run at high pace alone. she certainly seems to have credentials

Seems completely legit that a female could run 25 laps at 70.5 without drugs . Barriers are there to be broken . At what point is someone dirty ? If it's a world record then why bother having them .

Almaz Ayana went from running 15:32 in 2014 to almost breaking the WR in 2015 with a time of 14:14.

When she runs you can see the same patterns as doper Genzebe Dibaba:

1- Going ham from the start

2- Not getting tired. Looking relaxed at the finish line

3- Being arrogant and going after records time and time again.

I'm sure she could've broken 29mins if she wanted in Rio.

I think with this serious injury, she's going to disappear slowly

musclessfitness wrote:

Almaz Ayana went from running 15:32 in 2014 to almost breaking the WR in 2015 with a time of 14:14.

When she runs you can see the same patterns as doper Genzebe Dibaba:

1- Going ham from the start

2- Not getting tired. Looking relaxed at the finish line

3- Being arrogant and going after records time and time again.

I'm sure she could've broken 29mins if she wanted in Rio.

I think with this serious injury, she's going to disappear slowly

Yes she is the no 1 most suspicious runner in t&f, but I think she has some very sophisticated help. Not silly stuff like some of the Kenyans or Moroccans.

musclessfitness wrote:

Almaz Ayana went from running 15:32 in 2014 to almost breaking the WR in 2015 with a time of 14:14.

When she runs you can see the same patterns as doper Genzebe Dibaba:

1- Going ham from the start

2- Not getting tired. Looking relaxed at the finish line

3- Being arrogant and going after records time and time again.

I'm sure she could've broken 29mins if she wanted in Rio.

I think with this serious injury, she's going to disappear slowly

She ran 14:25 in 2013

I believe Ayana is completely clean. Smooth runner, great form.

We can agree to disagree and you know what, she's clean until she fails a test.

Hello sub:

Ok, what about the year before? ... going from barely sub 15 to 14:25?

To me times don't have as much significance as the arrogance these cheaters show during competition.

lkjj wrote:

I believe Ayana is completely clean. Smooth runner, great form.

We can agree to disagree and you know what, she's clean until she fails a test.

+1

The most obvious uncaught doper since Bolt and Makhloufi.

Hukk wrote:

The most obvious uncaught doper since Bolt and Makhloufi.

Call me a dreamer but I believe Makh Daddy is clean.

When I used the words 'doping program', I did not mean that there was a systematic doping program by the federation. I mean that it has the worst known doping PROBLEM outside of the Eastern Bloc. Kenyans have long covered their eyes to the problem and Kenyan corruption, individual athletes, and agents to these athletes are an enormous problem that we see play out on a weekly basis. And I actually have set foot in Kenya, albeit briefly with plane stops that took me from Malawi to Kenya twice, then Ethiopia, Dubai, and finally Pakistan. You, in contrast, have put your head in the sand over this issue for years. You condemn the Robertsons, yet they are absolutely right that there is a huge doping problem in Kenya.

Hfcvv wrote:

Are you people retarded?

Ayana wasn’t the only one running a very fast 10k in Rio that day. 18 PB were there and many NR. If Ayana was the only one to run fast that race, you might had an argument, but Cheruiyot ran 1 sec away from the Chinese, was she doped too? Dibaba running a PB- doped too? Huddle running an AR- doped too?

You people are stupid.

Retarded ... stupid???? What possible rationale could you have for this comment? You must be autistic to think that the marshalling of facts and reasons in logical order is stupid. The fact that numerous people ran pr's and NR's somehow exonerates Ayana? Why would it? Dibaba is doping as well. She was literally at Sabadell when Aden was busted with large amounts of EPO and other drugs. Cheruiyot is surely doping as well. Doping is absolutely rife throughout Kenyan and Ethiopian athletics. The top athletes are represented, moreover, by the drug cheat Jos Hermens, who sends his athletes to Healing Hans, as well as, in the past, the Operation Puerto doping doctor. The fast times were dependent in part on the presence of an unbelievable pacer and the greatest 10k field ever assembled on the distaff side. We all know very well that 5 and 10k track times will rarely be extremely fast without an exceptional athlete pacing the whole way. Just look at how Kejelcha enabled that Brussels 5000m this year.

What proof do you have thst doping is widespread in Kenya and Ethopia? The link and quote on frontpage states just the opposite.

The poster you responded was stating ig Ayana is doping then just about everyone else in Rio 2016 10000m was as well. She just able to have more talent to go with "the supposedly juice" God given talent.

VIPAM wrote:

What proof do you have thst doping is widespread in Kenya and Ethopia? The link and quote on frontpage states just the opposite.

The poster you responded was stating ig Ayana is doping then just about everyone else in Rio 2016 10000m was as well. She just able to have more talent to go with "the supposedly juice" God given talent.

Based on the crazy number of Kenyan doping positives - have you been living in a cave or something? ? And unless you believe in a 100% detection rate, the number of Kenyans busted isn't representative of the number of actual dopers!

Barrel of Laughs wrote:

Based on the crazy number of Kenyan doping positives - have you been living in a cave or something? ? And unless you believe in a 100% detection rate, the number of Kenyans busted isn't representative of the number of actual dopers!

Perhaps good old VIPAM is really one of those Japanese WWII soldiers marooned on a tiny Pacific atoll.

Subway Surfers wrote:

Barrel of Laughs wrote:

Based on the crazy number of Kenyan doping positives - have you been living in a cave or something? ? And unless you believe in a 100% detection rate, the number of Kenyans busted isn't representative of the number of actual dopers!

Perhaps good old VIPAM is really one of those Japanese WWII soldiers marooned on a tiny Pacific atoll.

What I dont get is this - To support the "must be doping" narrative, many assert that 40% plus international athletes anonymously admitted doping when polled - the inference being that the 40% represents both Western & Eastern countries combined & therefore the percentage of dopers within supposed unchecked environments like Kenya/Ethiopia would be much higher.

Ok so if we accept this rationale, why are athletes such as Ayana still so much ahead of their (doped) East African rivals? - Why does she front run the way she does - something nobody else can replicate ? - Are we to believe that her doping is somehow more sophisticated and stronger than the others? What is the magical combination here? - is she an average athlete made superhuman? is she a great athlete made greater by pharmacology? Is she the only one doping?

Or is she simply the hardest working mentally applied athlete who also has an enormous talent. - If she is doped to the gills on EPO as many posters attest, why is she so depleted and runs poorly (by her standards) in her second event of Olympics & WC (5K) - This certainly didnt happen to Wang Junxia who ran 29.17, 3.50, 8.06 (plus heats) all within ten days of each other - and she was doped.

All in all the doping equation doesnt add up to me,

I really wish Almaz Ayana is fully fit for 2019 Worlds against Siffan and the 10000m field and may the best runner wins. I like Siffan but against a fully fit Almaz, to beat her Siffan will need to be ready to run a WR sub 29:10 (Ayana may go for it from lap 1). Especially is Siffan breaks the 1/2 marathon WR after skipping World X. No outstanding performance by Siffan in the 1/2 and Ayana may just bang out a final 14:22 5000m like in 2017 and drop everyone again.

Ayana fully fit and not get injuried, tripped, or spiked during the race will be more than just an extremely, extremely difficult task for Siffan to derail and win 10000m Gold.

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Correction Wang Junxia pb for 10000m was 29:31

and not sure about her 1500m but thought that was 3:52