EPO Does Work on Kenyans! Surprise!

Busting the bubble of the drug believers.

J.R. wrote:

People ran fast before steroid use became common.

They are a muscle building magazine fad, nothing else.

But in terms of distance running, nobody ran 'fast' before the advent of EPO.

Once Geb and his mates got hold of that stuff, probably via Hermans because being Ethiopian he's genetically unable to knowing do anything wrong, the records went crazy.

that exactly what happened

the xc skiers got it first

then the cyclists

then the EAs and others on the track

records went through the roof

and no way was a couple of clean guys dominating

it didn happen

just so people know cos i know

Somewhere on the net, and no matter how hard I try I can't find it again, there is a graph that shows the introduction of EPO and the effect on middle and long distance records and how over a short period of time the times fell away dramatically with the introduction of a viable test.

To JR, nothing personal but I wish you would just go away.

Interesting Google/Google Image results when searching:

"graph that shows the introduction of EPO and the effect on middle and long distance records"

I haven't time now to research further.

Are you suggesting that these 12.7 million cancers do not exist?

Net Filter wrote:

Somewhere on the net, and no matter how hard I try I can't find it again, there is a graph that shows the introduction of EPO and the effect on middle and long distance records and how over a short period of time the times fell away dramatically with the introduction of a viable test.

If you mean that UK runners got slower, I agree. Drug use results in slower times, and therefore shouldn't be banned.

HRE wrote:

That's a great post. And while I agree with you completely, when I try to distinguish between artificial manipulations or substances, which should be illegal, and "natural" ones, which should not. In the really old days, training was considered an unnatural manipulaton. Lots of people think altitude tents should be illegal. You could argue that moving to altitude is an unnatural manpulation for someone who's lived at sea level his whole life.

I always think that the dividing line should be whether or not a "manipulation" has the potential to be bad for the user's health. EPO can thicken the blood to the point where the heart stops. Steroids can create all sorts of health issues.

I'd be interested in your thoughts and it gives us something to discuss other than Lydiard.

The questions that you bring about what is natural or don´t, what is the border of natural manipulation is an open discuss, ans something sensible, and what shall be consider doping or don´t. Another issue that i agree is that if does wealthily damage shall be unauthorised. The tenths shall be illegal ? It´s an open answer i guess.

By the way, about the wealthily danger of the doping,. I know about several runners and cyclists that did die by the doping take. As you know the italian cyclist Pantani died by a socio-problem of drug take post competition. Another sportsman that did die was Gerard Tebroke, a dutch runner that was early the coach of Jos hermans (yes the agent of Bekele) but laterly did beat the Hermans distance records with the use of drugs post competition career.

First i take your suggestion to go out of Lydiard, but i don´t know if you are aware of this:

1/ when the threads and the posts a are out of the Lydiard subject, i don´t introduce the Lydiard subject as frequently as you do and soem also do.

2/ When i introduce the Lydiard subject is normally after that you did, as in the yesterday thread. Therefore you shall look at yourself at the high number and the frequency that you participate in Lydiard threads and GET TO YOU your own suggestion to me - 'd be interested in your thoughts and it gives us something to discuss other than Lydiard.

3/Finnaly you are a bit distracted about me. I did a large amount of posts mainky about training methodology and that rarely includes the Lydiard subject. Let me remember by memory some subjects out of the Lydiard that i did post quite a lot. on this board Interval training, van Aaken training, marathon training, Ruio Silva training, portuguese marathon training, and what i think it´s the must of my participation, the thread i did with John Hadd: 2 kinds of runners: which are you ? that the subject is the need of training individualisation.

4/finnaly i consider myself one individual with strong temper and good sports ethics and my sport life compromise is just be honest and to say the truth (my truth) and my experience of more thsn 40 years of running, coaching, and despite that you you might suggest about my posts or what you think about me and my posts,sorry but in this matter, it´s me that i decide what i do or what i don´t. It´s my absolute decision, i got no influence for no one else.

After winning gold and silver in the women’s 1,500m in the London Olympics, Turkey’s Asli Cakir Alptekin and Gamze Bulut arrogantly proclaimed that their feat was fuelled by “Turkish power.”

But as word spread through the athletics community last week that Alptekin’s biological passport had set off alarm bells, it appears now that the Turkish runner may have been powered by something else other than national pride.

(...)

Alptekin had cheated before, and received a two-year ban in 2004 while she was still a junior. That, coupled with a pair of questionably impressive races leading up to the Games led to a quiet cynical pall in response to Alptekin’s Olympic gold.

http://runningmagazine.ca/2013/03/sections/news/womens-1500m-gold-medalist-tests-positive/

Well...they did did one and two on the 1500m London olympics. Who said that EPO doesn´t help at all ? !

Who says that is proved that EPO boost the performance ? !

António Cabral wrote:

Who says that is proved that EPO boost the performance ? !

i wanted to say "Who says that is proved that EPO DOESN´T boost the performance ?

António Cabral wrote:

Who says that is proved that EPO boost the performance ? !

i wanted to say "Who says that is proved that EPO DOESN´T boost the performance ?

Drug passport is only a way to ban people from countries they don't like, also still promoting the drugs.

People who believe a drug passport is good science are the same ones believing the drugs would work for them.

J.R. wrote:

Drug passport is only a way to ban people from countries they don't like, also still promoting the drugs.

People who believe a drug passport is good science are the same ones believing the drugs would work for them.

And those people would be 100% of all experts and knowledgable people who have dedicated their life to this science.

You are just a suspicious idiot on a message board. Go talk to some 911 truthers or tea party nutjobs. This is reality here and your place in a real discussion has either never been deserved or has sadly disappeared in a haze of senility.

Drugs are your reality not mine hahaha.

Renato Canova wrote:

BUT BECAUSE HE HAS QUALITIES COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM THE AVERAGE OF NORMAL PEOPLE.

BS - Tell that to a doctor.

She also cited Sureyya Ayhan as her idol/role model in the post-event press conference.

Seargent Joe Friday wrote:

Renato Canova wrote:

BUT BECAUSE HE HAS QUALITIES COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM THE AVERAGE OF NORMAL PEOPLE.

BS - Tell that to a doctor.

The doctor would agree. Take an Olympic finalist to a physician and have them run some tests on your friend and they'll tell you that he or she is a specimen with some very special abilities.

The comment about "something other than Lydiard" was sort of a joke. Yes, I know that you post on many topics. I post on some as well but in recent years we've only interacted on "Lydiard" threads. I was happy to see that we have a major area of agreement here.

Sureyya Ayhan was awesome.