Mammoth- another one bites the dust?

speakingtherealtruth wrote:

because she's what, 28, and not even close to being married. Some women have a really hard time with that.

And the perfect man to solve this problem is one you (allegedly)hooked up with while he was dating one of your team mates. Totally makes sense.

That's the same Angie that won 2009 NCAA XC.

http://www.fightingillini.com/sports/w-xctrack/recaps/112309aaa.html

I think she'll be back in form soon enough.

Doubt this was solely Hasting's decision. Mahon doesn't put up with drama & Cragg+Hastings was causing just that. Hence, Cragg gone, now Hastings.

It sounds like the coaches need to accommodate for the fact that athletes are humans not machines. Relationships between humans happen. It's normal. Relationships are sometimes messy. That's normal. The coaches need to accept this and stop trying to control every aspect of their athlete's lives. It is a sport we do for fun. Lighten up.

ducksoup1 wrote:

It is a sport we do for fun. Lighten up.

Maybe for you it's a sport you only do for fun. But for these people it's more than simply fun -- it's their job. If this kind of personal nonsense potentially has a secondary impact on someone's job as an athlete, then it's definitely the coach's business. It's no different than if you managed a team of people in a white collar profession and there was relationship drama going on. If it began to effect the work product, you would do what you could to get certain people rotated elsewhere in order to end the trouble.

I work for IBM and we are not allowed to date within the work place. Why do Pro runners complain about not being treated like Pro's and then complain when they are being treated like Pro's? DRAMA is counterproductive in any area of work. Good for Mammoth for understanding this.

ducksoup1 wrote:

It sounds like the coaches need to accommodate for the fact that athletes are humans not machines. Relationships between humans happen. It's normal. Relationships are sometimes messy. That's normal. The coaches need to accept this and stop trying to control every aspect of their athlete's lives. It is a sport we do for fun. Lighten up.

Wrong. This is business, not fun and games.

I don't follow the sport wrote:

I work for IBM and we are not allowed to date within the work place. Why do Pro runners complain about not being treated like Pro's and then complain when they are being treated like Pro's? DRAMA is counterproductive in any area of work. Good for Mammoth for understanding this.

But Mammoth Track Club isn't the runners' employer; their sponsors are.

It's got to be difficult for young, single people in MTC. Thirteen runs and six gym sessions in a typical week, plus strong encouragement not to get a part-time job, and in some cases shared housing. The opportunities to meet others not on the team are really small. It's probably not a coincidence that the most stable long-term members are married.

[quote]Not Likely wrote:

Doubt this was solely Hasting's decision. Mahon doesn't put up with drama & Cragg+Hastings was causing just that. Hence, Cragg gone, now Hastings.[/quote

So why didn't she leave when he did? His blog says he left the group back in May.

BTW I doubt anyone can argue with how unprofessional the behavior was. Maybe the Hansons have the right idea with their strict 'no dating' rule

smd wrote:

But Mammoth Track Club isn't the runners' employer; their sponsors are.

It's got to be difficult for young, single people in MTC. Thirteen runs and six gym sessions in a typical week, plus strong encouragement not to get a part-time job, and in some cases shared housing. The opportunities to meet others not on the team are really small. It's probably not a coincidence that the most stable long-term members are married.

But the WORK ENVIRONMENT is MTC. You can't have personal relationships damaging the work environment. In a small group one incident like this has big repercussions. It could tear the group apart if people started taking sides or not talking to each other. It is tough to be single in the MTC. A remote area and not much chance of meeting people outside the group.

Les Kanekuni wrote:

smd wrote:

But Mammoth Track Club isn't the runners' employer; their sponsors are.

It's got to be difficult for young, single people in MTC. Thirteen runs and six gym sessions in a typical week, plus strong encouragement not to get a part-time job, and in some cases shared housing. The opportunities to meet others not on the team are really small. It's probably not a coincidence that the most stable long-term members are married.

But the WORK ENVIRONMENT is MTC. You can't have personal relationships damaging the work environment. In a small group one incident like this has big repercussions. It could tear the group apart if people started taking sides or not talking to each other. It is tough to be single in the MTC. A remote area and not much chance of meeting people outside the group.

I agree with all of that. It must make it that much more difficult--trying to meet work-environment expectations that aren't set by your employer. Especially when the definition of "work environment" encompasses pretty much all of your time and face-to-face interaction with others.

It is really sad that you need to tell teammates that it is not a good idea to sleep with other teammates. It is like one big family and sleeping with a teammates is like sleeping with a sibling (or parent). If I am locked in a cabin with my family for a year I would never think about having sex with my sister.

But the problem in these situations is when I decide to sleep with more than one sibling. YUCK

Never been on a US Navy deployment I gather.

Great tactic wrote:

It is really sad that you need to tell teammates that it is not a good idea to sleep with other teammates. It is like one big family and sleeping with a teammates is like sleeping with a sibling (or parent). If I am locked in a cabin with my family for a year I would never think about having sex with my sister.

But the problem in these situations is when I decide to sleep with more than one sibling. YUCK

Exactly the same, except they are not in any way related. So maybe more like dating someone at your school or your workplace, which is usually considered your own business. . . even when discouraged.

Well I guess Bauhs recent 66 minute half marathon solves the question of who forced who out. Obviously it was Hastings who made the decision to leave not Mahon

Getting ten pairs of free shoes a year and three domestic fights is hardly a professional career. Let's be realistic about how how much the majority of these "professional" athletes are making. They do it for fun, not money. If these coaches want professional behavior from their athletes, they better be able to organize professional salaries. They can't, so they better get used to less than professional behavior. This is not a career for 99% of the athletes in these "professional" groups. It is something fun and personally rewarding to do before they start their real career. Young, fit people like to get it on. Look at how many condoms they go through at the Olympics. The coaches should be providing condoms to the athletes to prepare them for Olympic conditions.

I do have to agree the majority of "professional" track and field athletes are at the poverty level, so there's not exactly as much incentive as say, ALL other professional sports, to behave and act like professionals. Got to find a way to reward T&F athletes better and I think there'd be at least a little less relationship drama.

I believe RT has a piece on AH this morning. It appears Hanson's isn't a certain. Keith is going to speak to Manhon before he makes a decision. It seems Desi would want her there but she doesn't run the team and it may be that she brings too much drama.