MORE IMPRESSIVE by high school female: 2:00.91 GOLD medal or 4:11.01 6th place at World Jrs?

Facts

1.) Ajee Wilson has two World Jr Gold medals

2.) Ajee Wilson ran a world class time

3.) Mary Cain is a very talented sophmore hopefully with two more years of not being injuried.

a. if healthy the next two years Mary could possibly go sub 2:00 and sub 4:07 her senior yet, but that's the future not today

4.) Ajee ran her 2:00.91 beating a field by running only as fast as she had to grab first place, Mary was pulled to her personal best

5.) Both are incredibly talented but TODAY based on placing and world class time Ajee performance truimpsh Mary

Wilson's time is more impressive, period. There's no need to go into bizarre mental gymnastics around "speed/endurance curves", just look at relative placing. Ajee won, while Mary was 6th. End of story.

Yes, they're both impressive, but Ajee Wilson's performance is flat out better by every objective measurement.

Well put!

This really should not be an debate.

There are multiple reasons why it is I

believe yet most people know what those

reasons are.

But girls are great - Yet Ajee from

the world of today (meaning facts) and

from the perspective of a worldview

Gold Medal and time are superior!

What is the big deal. That should

not take away from Mary.

PS.. Ajee picture should be up on the

front page. How often do Americans WIN

GOLD MEDALS at ANY WORLD TRACK EVENT AT A

DISTANCE OF 800m and UP?

But this is not my site and the owners can

do what they want to do.

PS.. The story may not be over for Chanelle Price

Some college systems have a way of "slowing" down

their runners in addition to injuries.

Well put!

This really should not be an debate.

There are multiple reasons why it is though. I

believe most people know what those

reasons are.

Both girls are great - Yet Ajee, from the

perspective of the world of today (meaning facts)

and from a global perspective, "Gold Medal" and time are superior!

What is the big deal. Ajee's win should

not take away from Mary's season and results.

This year based upon results/facts Ajee >>> Mary

The Gold Medal will always be a Gold Medal; records

are made to be broken -- Michael Johnson, S. Coe, Steve Cram, and others can tell you that.

PS.. Ajee picture should be up on the

front page. How often do Americans WIN

GOLD MEDALS at ANY WORLD TRACK EVENT AT A

DISTANCE OF 800m and UP?

But this is not my site and the owners can

do what they want to do.

PS.. The story may not be over for Chanelle Price

Some college systems have a way of "slowing" down

their runners in addition to injuries.

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To end this thread the IAAF has scoring tables to determine the worth of a time. Medals do not come into play h only time. Wilson's 800 is worth 1150 points, Cain's 1,500 is worth 1112 points question answered.

My gf has a whooty! wrote:

So....

Wilson > Cain.

End of thread.

Seriously? OK, let me switch over to my Xbox Live voice, too:

Smashing an all-time HS record >>>not breaking an all-time HS record

So....

Cain is obviously more 1337 than Wilson!

Ajee Wilson far more impressive end of story for mature posters! Gold medal and world class time. Kim Gallagher's 2:00.07 mark is the EASILY the most difficult of and running event 800m to 5000m.

I'm sure both athletes have dreams of running in the Olympics one day. There, they will face international competition. AMERICAN HSR means little on an international level. A win at an international competition is much more promising. Wilson> Cain in this situation

You are all terribly misguided. Why on Earth does 'endurance come after speed'? This is abject nonsense. These young women are the product of intense training regimes designed to garner ridiculously fast times before they have the general strength and base to deal with it. Pure sprinting speed can be continuously developed in distance athletes, as Lydiard himself realised. Hard anaerobic workouts and 'tempo' runs as the main strategy will lead to the demise of these youthful standouts.

superstud wrote:

Let's explore age grading for a moment.

A 16 year old running 4:11.01 is the equivalent of an 18 year old running 4:06.

I am interested in how you arrive at that? Are you talking about 16 and 18 year old girls?

Anyway, what strikes me about Mary's performances are that despite all the people saying Mary can run 2-flat, there is really no evidence to support that. Furthermore, despite all the votes for "training with boys," from this board she has not really lowered her 800 time much in the last year. What is great is that she has significantly lowered her 1500 time. I can see Mary continuing the improvement in her 1500 and longer races, and some modest improvement in the 800:

World Jr Champ 7/15/2012 1500m 6 4:11.01

World Jr Champ 7/13/2012 1500m 3 4:14.77

US Olympic Trials 6/22/2012 800m 18 2:04.11

USA Jr Champ 6/17/2012 1500m 1 4:14.74

USA Jr Champ 6/15/2012 1500m 1 4:24.25

NY State Champ 6/9/2012 1500m 1 4:19.78

Sec 1-St Qual-D2 6/1/2012 1500m 1 4:16.52

Sec 1-Class C 5/23/2012 1500m 1 4:21.4

Sec 1-Class C 5/23/2012 800m 1 2:06.3

Loucks Games 5/11/2012 800m 1 2:03.34

Somers Lion Inv 5/5/2012 1500m 1 4:17.1

New York Relays 4/21/2012 800m 1 2:05.90

NBIN Nationals 3/11/2012 800m 2 2:07.26

NY State Champ 3/3/2012 1500m 1 4:24.25

Sec 1-St Qual 2/24/2012 1500m 1 4:32.11

Sec 1-Kickoff 2 12/18/2011 1500m 1 4:29.4

USATF Jr-Final 6/25/2011 1500m 2 4:23.59

USATF Jr-Semi 6/24/2011 1500m 1 4:30.19

NBON Nationals 6/17/2011 800m R 2:03.74

NY State Champ 6/11/2011 1500m 1 4:17.84

NY State Champ 6/11/2011 800m R 2:13.08

Sec 1-StQual-2 6/3/2011 1500m 1 4:37.04

Warwick Fast Rly 5/31/2011 800m R 2:05.2

Sec 1-Class C 5/26/2011 800m 1 2:11.1

Somers Lions Inv 5/7/2011 1500m 1 4:23.1

NY Relays 4/16/2011 800m 1 2:06.44

NBIN Nationals 3/13/2011 800m 6 2:09.62

Sec 1-Class C 2/6/2011 1500m 1 4:36.3

Marine Holiday 12/29/2010 800m 2 2:18.00

(source: Tully Runners)

DumbAndDumbest wrote:

Thanks for your response it solidify you as the dumbest Letsrun poster of all-time and a useless bigot. Cain may run sub 2:01 in 2014 but she couldn't run sub 2:03 this year if she was going downhill with roller skates!

Mary will be remember by white posters from Letsrun while Ajee continue to be mentioned by international championships announcers and feared by her foreign competitiors!

WOW! Why all the hostility? Let me guess an angry liberal. I guess if I don't vote for fantastic incumbent President that would be racist also? Get a life you loser!

Mary Cain has improved three seconds in the last year in the 800. 2:06 to 2:03. I'd say that's a good chunk. She seems very capable of slashing a few more seconds, given that she ran that 2:03 solo in howling wind and rain, two months ago when she was running 4:17 1500s. I think she has great potential at the 800 - she has incredible speed and very good endurance. Currently, she seems more interested in the 1500.

The comment about speed over endurance at that age is spot on. When I was 15, my PRs were 1:59 and 4:53. In just a couple years of aerobic work, that 4:53 turned into a 4:13. It takes more time to build aerobic fitness, while speed comes naturally to those who have it.

A good sign for Mary is that she DOES indeed have that speed, and her strength is improving greatly. She improved minutes in cross country frosh to sophomore years, and this fall will be a contender for a national championship. The 1500 will ultimately be her best event, given her combination of speed and strength.

uhhh?? wrote:

Mary Cain has improved three seconds in the last year in the 800. 2:06 to 2:03. I'd say that's a good chunk...she ran that 2:03 in howling wind and rain, two months ago

How do you figure 2:06 to 2:03; I am seeing a 2:03.74 at Outdoor Nationals June 2011. Just slightly off what she ran in the Cat 5 Hurricane which devestated White Plains High School and practically ripped Mary's head clear off.

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Better World Champs 2013? Cain or Wilson? I vote Wilson.

Impossible not to go with Ajee Wilson 1:58.21 not only did she place higher I think she just set an American Junior Record beating Mary Cain's by 1.3 seconds according to T&FN! Look forward to many great years between this two intelligent young ladies and hopefully many senior records and titles as well!