Iowa wrestler defaults at state meet instead of wrestling girl

Chris BROlinsky wrote:

i understood and more or less agreed with your post up until:

"She and her parents should be ashamed for putting the young man in this position."

What should the be ashamed of? i'm not asking in an incendiary intent. I'm asking because i don't get what you were trying to say here.

They should be ashamed because they know the intense pressure and uncomfortable situation in which all of her young male opponents are placed.

Parents that let their young girls cross this line know they are creating conflict for every young male that has to step on the mat. They know the social and cultural difficulty.

No one is preventing girls from forming their own club or team. There are many other combative and similar activities for women. (Judo, Martial Arts) But Boys High School Wrestling is not one of them. It's is just plain rude... tragically hip!

I can't describe precisely all the cultural and social lines that should not be crossed. But I can tell you when I see one. This is one.

Your post was utter BS and pathetic too. Man up and wrestle the girl for crissakes! What a baby he and everyone you like you who agree with him are being. Seriously, are you 5 ? "Oh no, I might get cooties from touching the girl! " Wow. And the guys talking about seriously worrying about getting turned on?!? Wow again. So if a girl started punching you in the face , this would give these guys a hard-on??? Wow, you people are more messed up in the head than I thought.

Anyone agreeing with this kids needs psychological help.

NoFatty wrote:

haha... yeah. It's almost definitely not worth it to waste my time with your disastrously poorly thought out argument point by point, so I'll propose an experiment to you so you can have some data to fill that giant gaping hole where your common sense is supposed to be.

Go walk up to one of your friends while he is sitting on the couch and wrap your arms around him in a typical wrestling posture. Let us know how he responds.

Then, do the same thing within a grappling competition or wrestling practice when you are instructed to do so, and tell us if you get a different kind of response.

Now answer this question. Why doesn't this kid start wrestling people when he is walking down the street? Is it possible that even this dim-witted neanderthal can tell that context is important.

Why can't you?

Hmmm... You seem to be hung up on context. OK, let's talk context. I imagine that the kid considers it appropriate to grind his body against a girl only in the context where she's his wife, based on his religious upbringing. I suppose he might make an exception in the context of an emergency where it was necessary to save somebody's life. But that's a different context than a wrestling match. And he thinks it's OK to grind his body against a guy in the context of a wrestling match, because that doesn't violate his religious upbringing.

Speaking of context, does no one on this thread remember what it's like to be a sophomore in high school? Sexual insecurity is practically the definition of adolescence. Regardless of what you all think he should have done, I bet plenty of you critics would have done the same exact same thing in his situation. (Obviously excluding the guy who was in the same situation and didn't)

I can't believe you people are still arguing about this!

girls in high school wrestling is just the means of trouble. I mean remember when that girl joined Bayside's team? Jessie caused so much drama and Slater couldn't get his head on straight.

Girls should wrestle girls in high school wrestling. Pretty simple! Especially with the sort of contact going on in a match and practices. Can only bring about bad things, can't think of much good coming from it. Besides wrestling is a lame, boring sport anyways. (in my opinion) I remember going out for wrestling my freshman year, lasted 2 practices. I had a headache both days, from constantly rolling around on a mat, hugging other boys. Just didnt see the enjoyment in it. It was also very stinky and dirty. I even got that skin rash ??? in PE once from the wrestling mats.

How about boxing? Yeah!

Concerned Citizen wrote:

5-1 or 6-2? wrote:

My impression is that he didn't compete because of his family and his up-bringing. Dont hit girls kinda thing.

I disagree with that line of thinking. There are clearly situations in which it is permissible to hit a girl. Self defense for instance. A wrestling match would be one of those situations (she knows the rules and has consented to them).

Hit it wrote:

How about boxing? Yeah!

Concerned Citizen wrote:

I disagree with that line of thinking. There are clearly situations in which it is permissible to hit a girl. Self defense for instance. A wrestling match would be one of those situations (she knows the rules and has consented to them).

I would say that would be an acceptable situation too. If chicks can vote and serve in the military then they can deal with the consequences of starting some sh*t with a dude.

"I would say that would be an acceptable situation too. If chicks can vote and serve in the military then they can deal with the consequences of starting some sh*t with a dude."

Society can't handle chicks getting what they deserve. Hell, even in a crappy Super Bowl commercial the woman's boyfriend got jacked by bigfoot when she was the one messing with him. Good luck with reality.

Jesus, women against men in wrestling match? What kind of insanity it is? I wrestled the girl once - and she was kinda good, about to compete in the jujitsu championships, same weight as me. Took me like 3 seconds to win.

As the father of a girl high school wrestler, I think I sit in a unique postion to comment. We live in a small, rural community in NW Montana. She didn't have any experience in wrestling until high school. Given the small size of our state and our schools, we don't have an opportunity for girsl only wrestling.

Her mother and I were uncertain about her giving it a try. But, she really wanted to give it a try; and, it helped the school (with a small student body) fill an open weight slot.

She's had her headed handed to her way more often than not. But, she worked hard, competed well, and stuck it out for 4 full seasons. In the end, her work committment and effort endeared her to the boys on the team, to the coach; and, to most of the other boys who wrestled on teams within the region.

Trust me, neither she, nor us, nor her teammates ever saw boys who took this as an open opportunity for copping a feel. They wrestled her just like they did any other competitor.

At the same time, if this young man had a problem with wrestling a female competitor, so be it. End of story. Don't try to make more of it than it is. I just don't see this as being worthy of trying to make it out to be some kind of major socio-cultural situation.

Anyway, from a dad who's been there, that's my $0.02.

I don't have any daughters who wrestle but I do have daughters who spar in karate. Usually for them to be challenged they have to spar with the guys at their karate school. I have always felt sorry for the boys because they can't "win" even if they beat them because they are girls. I watch my only son deal with this when he spars either with his sisters or other girls. However, I want my girls to fight the boys because it makes them tough and then in tournaments they usually have no trouble in their matches with other girls. Now my little one, 6, will be in a tournament that mixes boys and girls in her age group. So is it ok at this age for boys and girls to compete in a physical challenge? The mma instructor wants her to compete at some of his tournaments because she has gotten really good at grappling. What do you think about this age competing with one another?

What's happening here is denial of sports and other masculine rituals to the marginally athletic boys without granting to girls any possibility of excelling. The girls are dabbling (no one expects them to win, after all) while the boys suffer real blows to their sense of masculine competence and potency.

In the end you get a sterile society where manhood is in crisis and femininity is devalued. Such a society cannot reproduce itself.

In the confusion, Islam--with its radically defined sex roles and prolific women--offers a siren appeal to many marginal males. Check out the prisons, where the US now leads the world in incarcerating young men.

Destroy sex roles and you have to have a welfare state to take care of the children and a police state to handle the young men.

That's some real drama queen overblown shit right there, ggilder.

If any of you fairies had bothered to actually to read the article. You would see that no one who actually has any reason to care abou this, even gives a damn. This has been a bit of an issue for girls that want to wrestle across the country, but the fact is wrestling is a very small sport anyway and very few schools would be able to field a womens team in any state. So all over middle America girls who want to wrestle wrestle boys and sometimes boy for whatever reason decide to take a loss instead of wrestle a girl, AND ITS NEVER AN ISSUE.

Anyway, as a good wrestler who ended up running in college, wrestling is a REAL sport. In that, there are actaul tecniques involved. I always felt like I was tryin to be the best at exercise or something when I was running

Sam F wrote:

Anyway, as a good wrestler who ended up running in college, wrestling is a REAL sport. In that, there are actaul tecniques involved. I always felt like I was tryin to be the best at exercise or something when I was running

Oh! I'm so offended! I have NEVER seen a post simultaneously as witty and cutting as that on LRC!

Strutting around in leotards playing grab-ass with a bunch of dudes is SO manly!

The kid is home schooled as are my kids.

Many unionized school districts loathe home schoolers and especially loathe home schooled students and athletes who outshine the kids trained and taught in the public schools.

My wife and I, and thousands of parents actually must carry home school legal defense insurance to combat the games the school districts play.

Iowa is at the top of high school and college wrestling.

This kid must be one tough hombre.

It is likely that, because he is a home schooler, the bracket was rigged to match this kid with a freshman girl(that's right, a freshman)to force him into a no win situation or at least embarrass him and the girl, especially if she were to be injured.

Hey, it's the summary of a book, Men & Marriage, which has a dramatic chapter on "the Princess's Problem": to wrestle or not?