New Mexico Invite results

actually sandy, he did just that w/ taking shadrack, a known professional (i would know, i actually lost money to shadrack one time and i've been at 3-4 races internationally that he's been at- all with some variation of "sam biwott" or other- all courtesy of the hellebyucks of course), in addition to all the foreigners he had at stanford. his foreign born at stanford were generally caucasion but nonetheless, he typically had 2-4 conadian/brit/etc on the farm at any one time. the difference i suppose is that they weren't the reason he won.

regardless, you all need to ease off franklin until US blue chippers start flocking to abq. I think it's a great place but it doesn't have the "paradise" reputation for distance runners- yet. hopefully after a few years of top ten @ ncaa's it will have that and franklin can depend more on local/national talent but until then i don't blame him for free points.

abq eagle, let's not exaggerate. As far as I know, Biwott graduated from high school in the USA, and had lived here for a few years before that, so was he your typical "import". That aside, I believe that in recent years nearly 100% of the Oregon distance runners have been USA born and raised. Therein lies my question..what if Lananna started bringing in a half dozen imports to add to his already great fold of distance runners? Don't you think everyone would be up in arms?

not exaggerating at all. I stated clearly that it was only 2-4 max, and at stanford, not UO. that said, it's funny that lananana blatantly breaks the rules first at the farm (thats why he had to leave) and then with kiptoo or whatever last name fits for the day. yet when franklin does the same thing he has always done (at butler), he gets flack for it. iona, alabama, providence, etc. who cares folks, just let em run. if american kids are running sub-3:50 15's and sub-9 3200's, i'm sure they'll get first dibs on the money. until then, tough beans, get faster. and no, i don't care that they are SOMETIMES (not always!) a year or two (or three) older. until the ncaa institutes an age cap, then its within the rules so don't complain, do something and change the rule if you don't like it.

Can anyone explain to me rationally why New Mexico takes more flak than Iona, Providence, Alabama, UTEP, Auburn, etc. who don't even pretend to try to recruit American kids? Hell, Alabama just flies over to Kenya, gets seven of them, and then has a team. New Mexico has both American kids and international ones and is trying to get more American kids. Is there some bias against New Mexico?

It is likely some jealous coach or pissed off high school kid that is too slow to make their roster that is complaining here. Franklin needs to just worry about what he is doing - getting better. Let the jealous people whine about international athletes. Until he breaks rules like Lananna has, just chill.

Btw, Lananna does not need to bring in the international kids because every high school distance runner has Pre on his wall and looks up to a guy that died while drinking and driving - hardly a role model! Meanwhile, the Nike/Oregon crew flies the top distance runners in to Oregon on what should be deemed an illegal recruiting trip. It is Oregon that should be getting flak here and not New Mexico.

amen to that but he's vinny so nobody will ever actually call him on it. it's sorta like lance, we all know he did it, but nobody will crucify him for it b/c he's "good" for the sport. kinda sad in a way.

I'll never forget being at stanford one night, adam tenforde ran a huge pb (in the 28:40-50 range) after almost two years of frustration (injuries, poor performances, etc) and he was just stoked! mike reilly walked up and gave him a big congrats, vinny just walked right by, literally, without even saying a word. he'd $hat adam out the back door long before that. really saw his true colors that day.

So, now we see abq eagle's true colors. And he talks about whiners, while he is the one who whines and spreads fabrications about individuals. I always have wished that guys like he could be exposed and sued for character assassination. It would be well deserved for mean, dishonest people such as he. I think this post gives us a clear clue to why people people feel as they do about NM and their "import" program. They put up an illusion of recruiting American kids, while buying a team of imports, and then re-direct criticism to programs like Stanford and Oregon. What a hypocrite.

The reality is that there are few track scholarships available to males. Many good guys US guys are getting passed up so that older imports can produce immediately.

Cabbage, your logic, or lack thereof, is astounding, blinding, even dumbfounding. I'm stupefied after trying to make sense of your post.

state one inaccurate statement i've made. one.

nothing but facts bro, sorry it doesn't fit your personal biases. nobody, including franklin, puts up ANY illusion that they're putting forth an "american" team. personally, i couldnt really care less. I just speak up b/c it's stupid that people complain about A, but not B or C...or x, y, or z. as i've said before, they are playing by the ncaa rules. if you don't like it, get the rules changed, BUT QUIT BITCHING ABOUT THE COACHES THAT PLAY BY THE CURRENT RULES!!!! until the rules say "thou shall have no more than two foreigners at any one time", then shut the flock up and leave it be!!!!

Buckman, Zoe 5-7 Sr. Canberra, Australia (Canberra Grammar School for Girls)

Kesselring, Anne 5-7 So. Nürnberg, Germany (Sigmund-Schuckert Gymnasium)

me-hi-co

careful, you might get the cabbage guy in a tizzy

So explain what the New Mexico coach is doing that the following coaches have been doing for a LOT longer:

Providence

Iona

Oklahoma State

Iowa State

Florida State

Alabama

Auburn

UTEP

When compared with these programs New Mexico is caring a lot more about American athletes. At least they try.

So anyone who loves to post. Explain this to me other than plain jealousy.

New Mexico is caring compared to Iona? Below are the results from NCAAs 2009...notice the THREE AMERICANS in the top 5:

1 10 268 Ryan Sheridan SO 8:36 14:44 23:46 29:48

2 31 270 Alexander Soderberg SO 8:48 15:03 24:13 30:20

3 65 260 Matthew Bayley SO 8:53 15:11 24:31 30:43

4 100 271 Jason Weller JR 8:45 15:04 24:38 31:11

5 144 263 Josh Hibbs JR 8:58 15:23 25:05 31:40

6 (164) 259 Thorsten Baumeister FR 8:55 15:26 25:21 31:57

7 (204) 266 Craig Murphy FR 8:59 15:43 26:20 33:24

Iona has also recruited some of the top NE talent the past few years...NON Mile Champ Chris Stogsdale and PA State XC Champ Jimmy Tarsnane. They also had a great steepler in Noel Bateman who was another NY guy...he isn't on the roster now though...

I just read these last few posts and had a little chuckle. The Cabbage guy posts that some of you guys are whining about Lananna, so you come back with your best shot?

"Buckman, Zoe 5-7 Sr. Canberra, Australia (Canberra Grammar School for Girls)

Kesselring, Anne 5-7 So. Nürnberg, Germany (Sigmund-Schuckert Gymnasium)"

Having followed most of the decent Pac 10 girls, I happen to know that these are the first imports Lananna has added to his squad in years. I also know that Kesselring wanted to go to school in the US and approached Oregon on her own. Don't know much about the Australian girl, but she's been there for five years..bet she talked her way onto Oregon's squad too. I also doubt that Kesselring is taking any scholarship money because I believe that Germany provides free education to their kids, even if they choose to take it overseas. I've seen what NM's squads look like, Lananna's certainly don't resemble that.

There you go sandy!! even without any foreigners on the oregon squad runners like you WILL NOT MAKE THE TEAM LET ALONE GET SCHOLARSHIP MONEY!!!

My point has been proved many times on here so with this I will not post anymore because you or someone you know was obviously passed up for a scholarship you wanted or thought you deserved. Stop using the big, bad, foreigners as a scapegoat to unload your frustration and start running harder, smarter, more or whatever will help you run faster and EARN one for yourself.

bronxvillebuddy: You pick out ONE year out of the last 15 to make a point. Go back and look at Iona's squad over the last 15 years. 80% international. And just to make a point. I have no problems with the international athletes, just sick and tired of folks coming on here and bashing certain coaches or programs. We should have a litmus test for people to be able to post on here - they passed sixth grade. Would eliminate 3/4 of the morons who come on here.

Sandy

With your main argument revolving around state taxpayers money, Whats difference between NM kids getting passed for scholarships due to Brits and Oregon kids getting passed for scholarships due to Californian, Vermont kids etc etc?

Your points all revolve around stupid "what if, what if" scenarios, its embarrassing to read. The fact is, Oregon doesn't have to recruit foreigners because they attract all the national HS talent due to their reputation. NM doesn't have that reputation and all the HS talent goes to only a handful of schools, so NM looks elsewhere. Perhaps Emanuel and Barnicle's successes will help bring NM's reputation to a place where American HS talent will be attracted to it.

Also, there are lots of Americans on scholarship all over the world, how narrow-minded of you to think otherwise.

Anybody else notice what was mentioned about the Hellebyucks and Shadrack? Is that true? If so, and somebody could prove it, wouldn't that be bad for Oregon?