GALEN RUPP will run sub 13 minutes 5000m GUARANTEED in 2010

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RE: SOLINSKY 12:56! 8/19/2010 12:53PM - in reply to blaketheflake Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

The whole 4th kilometer was slow.

3000m

Komen, Daniel Kipchirchir (KEN)

7:44.79

4000m

Kipchoge, Eliud (KEN)

10:24.05

So that's 2:39.26, 13:16 pace.

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Yep its amazing anyone broke 13 minutes with the pacing all over the place.

SawItLIVE wrote:

It would be a tragedy to have VIPAM not posting and leave the morons to the litter the board.

The race was off pace BEFORE 3000m and only the ones who broke 13 minutes was the athletes already capable of 12:50-12:52. The spilts in 1000m increments and the pace for THAT spilt:

1000m.....2:32.19 <12:41 pace for 1st kilo

2000m.....2:33.71 <12:48 pace for 2nd kilo

3000m.....2:37.89 <13:08 pace for 3rd kilo*

4000m.....2:39.06 <13:15 pace for 4th kilo*

so WELL BEFORE the *3rd kilo the pace was way off pace for sub 13. The fact that some of you think the race was ideal paced when two kilometers was well below sub 13 pace is proof enough we need knowledgeable posters like VIPAM and fewer uninformed jesters.

You are a moron, much like VIPAM is. So the pace slowed in the 3rd and 4th kilometer and Rupp still fell off the pace. Get real. Think before your next post.

Looks like they went out a bit too fast and then had to slow down a bit to save for a kick. That pacing is all over the place. No surprise in the end that Kipchoge was out of it and Komen DNF'd.

Why is there is big craze to claim runners will do some crazy feat?

Ever since Flagpole called out that Dathan was going to be the next sub 12 guy and stuck to it everyone thinks its trendy.

Yet Dathan is now hurt and not even a 13:30 guy

The average pace for the first 2 kilometers was

2:32.19

2:33.71/6:05.90 (avg 2:32.95 which is sub 12:45 pace)

the pace was all over the place unlike the pace at Stockholm. Rupp was trying for sub 13 minutes not sub 12:45 and then the pace slowed tremendouls from 3rd and 4th kilometer to 13:08-13:15.

SO STUPID YOU ARE THE MORON FOR NOT KNOWING IDEAL PACING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

zzzqqqq wrote:

The average pace for the first 2 kilometers was

2:32.19

2:33.71/6:05.90 (avg 2:32.95 which is sub 12:45 pace)

the pace was all over the place unlike the pace at Stockholm. Rupp was trying for sub 13 minutes not sub 12:45 and then the pace slowed tremendouls from 3rd and 4th kilometer to 13:08-13:15.

SO STUPID YOU ARE THE MORON FOR NOT KNOWING IDEAL PACING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're really an IDIOT. First of all, you are providing the splits of the lead rabbit, not Galen Rupp's. Rupp was probably about 6:09 at 2000, which would be 12:52.5 pace, which wouldn't be brutally fast if he can run under 13:00. Secondly, are you implying that Rupp could have run 8 seconds faster with better pacing? I suppose Solinsky could have run 12:47 in your world. YOU are really a moron.

So I guess knowledgeable posters like wqqqqqq, Marathon Mind, and SawItLIVE all are wrong as well as they say the pace was all over the pace and not ideal for sub 13 like Stockholm. Your one of the FEW MORONS who think they know alot but don't SOMETHING SIMPLE like ideal or decent pacing.

The only time you probably ever ran competitively was on your 1990 Nintendo Track and Field video game. I've grown tired of arguing with someone who doesn't have a clue...GOODBYE you are the stupidest link!

chet wrote:

zzzqqqq wrote:

The average pace for the first 2 kilometers was

2:32.19

2:33.71/6:05.90 (avg 2:32.95 which is sub 12:45 pace)

the pace was all over the place unlike the pace at Stockholm. Rupp was trying for sub 13 minutes not sub 12:45 and then the pace slowed tremendouls from 3rd and 4th kilometer to 13:08-13:15.

SO STUPID YOU ARE THE MORON FOR NOT KNOWING IDEAL PACING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're really an IDIOT. First of all, you are providing the splits of the lead rabbit, not Galen Rupp's. Rupp was probably about 6:09 at 2000, which would be 12:52.5 pace, which wouldn't be brutally fast if he can run under 13:00. Secondly, are you implying that Rupp could have run 8 seconds faster with better pacing? I suppose Solinsky could have run 12:47 in your world. YOU are really a moron.

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Chet

So I guess knowledgeable posters like wqqqqqq, Marathon Mind, and SawItLIVE all are wrong as well as they say the pace was all over the pace and not ideal for sub 13 like Stockholm. Your one of the FEW MORONS who think they know alot but don't SOMETHING SIMPLE like ideal or decent pacing.

The only time you probably ever ran competitively was on your 1990 Nintendo Track and Field video game. I've grown tired of arguing with someone who doesn't have a clue...you are (BY FAR) the stupidest link EVER, GOODBYE!

zzzqqqq wrote:

So I guess knowledgeable posters like wqqqqqq, Marathon Mind, and SawItLIVE all are wrong as well as they say the pace was all over the pace and not ideal for sub 13 like Stockholm. Your one of the FEW MORONS who think they know alot but don't SOMETHING SIMPLE like ideal or decent pacing.

The only time you probably ever ran competitively was on your 1990 Nintendo Track and Field video game. I've grown tired of arguing with someone who doesn't have a clue...GOODBYE you are the stupidest link!

The fact that you are relying on fellow morons for bulwark indicates the lack of horsepower in your mind and the lack of capacity to support your argument. I refuted your weak stabs at logic and now you an go home and cry like a baby...

chet

Could Rupp have run 8 seconds faster with better pacing? Yes it certainly possible to run that much faster with better pacing. When an athlete goes out too fast like this race they put themselves and their system in a more lactic acid and bigger oxygen debt THAN IF THEY WENT OUT AT AN IDEAL TARGETED PACE. So going out 2-3 seconds faster per kilometer for 40% (5 of the 12.5 laps) of the race than the pace in which your targeting is crucial.

Ideal pacing for sub 13 minutes is 2:35.99 (would be a significant personal best for Galen) which is already new territory for Galen Rupp. So going out in 2:32 and then 2:33 and then slowing down was a recipe for destruction for the young man. The pacing wasn't ideal for running sub 13 minutes.

I'm not sure Rupp's splits were that fast, but it was indeed a fast race and probably more than he is ready for. His chances to break 13 would have been better today had it been a second or two slower each 1000 for the first part of the race. That said he just didn't look great today.

I think at the very worst Rupp had 3 races between 13:0X and 13:10 this year and I think any reasonable objective observer would say that Stokholm would have been the fastest one.

Next to Solinsky and Kennedy that is probably the best season of 5000 running for any american in history and there is some sense of dissapointment. That is a good thing!

Hey, I'll admit to not being as knowledgeable as some folks here but I am not a moron.

get me sol's km splits ( better still, include last lap ), i've got a method to straighten them out

The race was ideal for sub 13:00 for Rupp.

He, and his ho mo supporters/excuse makers on this board, need to sack up and hurt a little bit. Ritz would have broken 13:00.

my big hugeballs wrote:

The race was ideal for sub 13:00 for Rupp.

He, and his ho mo supporters/excuse makers on this board, need to sack up and hurt a little bit. Ritz would have broken 13:00.

Damn right Ritz might have, he did it last year. You forget that Ritz is probably the most talent distance runner the US has ever had. His moments of brilliance outshine any other save maybe Hall in the marathon.

But Ritz is a good deal older than Rupp and wasn't running consistently at 13:0X-13:10 at his age.

In any case, Vipam has no excuse since he says US runners have to get after it and run with the leaders. He had a chance and couldn't do it. One more race.

Ritz's 12:56 last year is a perfect example of what Rupp could have done.

Last year they went way too fast up front while Ritz hung back and ran the pace he needed. Then he kept picking people off over the last K.

The pacing of today's race created the same ideal sub 13 scenario.

Nice PR. But a 12:59 was very doable if he was ready for it.

In an effort to prove someone wrong you say things that make very little sense in regards to race at hand. Ritz indeed picked people off in his sub 13 minute race; however, it didn't go out at 12:45 for almost 1/2 of the race then slow to 13:20 the 2nd portion. Ritz race went out alittle slower than the leaders and caught up to group who was running pretty even spilts from start to finish until the kicking start in the last 300m-450m.

Today in this race even if Rupp would have layed off the way too fast pace for 2000m he would have had to pass the leaders around 2500m to 4000m and increase the pace himself. The leaders started off at 12:45 pace for 2000m, then from 2000m to 4000m they slowed down greatly to 13:19 pace, and then they kicked like crazy the last 600-700m.

So unless Galen was in 12:50 flat shape like the top 3 or very close to 12:54 shape like the top 5 then he didn't have a shot at running sub 13 with this type of pacing.

atrrunner wrote:

In any case, Vipam has no excuse since he says US runners have to get after it and run with the leaders. He had a chance and couldn't do it. One more race.

Since everyone is so into predictions here on LRC I think that it is time for us to predict VIPAM's new name. He can't come back on here as VIPAM - that would be just too... And it is obvious he won't be able to stay away. So what is his new name going to be? What should it be.

And on a semi-related note. Does this mean we are free of MAPIV once and for all? One can always hope.