Global Warming Update

see you guys have no good response.

It's always yea, ok, but the global warming people are wrong!

This isn't about global warming or cooling or temperature. It's about destroying our habitat and being able to be self-sufficient. As the other guy pointed out, there is a finite fuel supply in the world. Reguardless of CO2 or tempertaures, we have a major problem that everyone gets so distracted from by arguing about temperatures. If we do nothing, in 20 years these "food shortages" will seem like childs play as the cost of rice sky rockets.

The first aim of "green" people shouldn't be curbing auto emissions. It should be finding a way to farm efficiently without the use of oil and gas. That will curb future food prices, and avert the next great dilemma that the world faces. Farmers and fisherman rely heavily on oil as the fuel to produce their product and to get it to stores.

I don't see why people are so hung up on gases and temperatures instead of the root of the problem.

This topic highlights another reason why Republicans always seek to starve the education system of funds. And this thread is proof that it works.

Imagine if the American population was actually educated about science. Wow. It would be so much harder to ignore global warming, stem cell research, or cave to the Creationist retards. The GOP wouldn't be able to sell out the country to polluting industry, drug companies, or the fundamentalist megachurches. How would they ever survive?

global warmimg, come on...overpopulation will destroy us - 9 billions by 2050 babye earth

bubalicious wrote:

global warmimg, come on...overpopulation will destroy us - 9 billions by 2050 babye earth

Tell that to the so-called "pro-life" and anti-birth-control retards.

bubalicious wrote:

global warmimg, come on...overpopulation will destroy us - 9 billions by 2050 babye earth

True the carrying capacity of the Earth is fast approaching with our current lifestyles and technology. Mother nature has ways of handling that though. It's no coincidence that Tsunamis and Cyclones in Asia kill hundreds of thousands in todays world. The more people in an area, the more that are going to die. The Earth always has a way of readjusting populations. Disease, famine, or war will defeat a large percent of the population in coming years. India and China are at risk. I could see those two fighting it out eventually for control of resources in asia.

Gator wrote:

so the point we've come up with, that we all can a agree on is that, there isnt enough data for any of it... so stop being a liberal prick/pawn and stop your scientifically proven bull, because there is absolutely no evidence of global warming from an unbiased, reliable source... because according to global warming wannabe's water vapour is a "greenhouse gas" want to dry out the atmosphere? s

If you would actually spend the time to understand the science instead of being a conservative ostrich, you would comprehend that the reason we have more water vapor in the air is because it is warmer. Water vapor plays the role of a positive feedback on other greenhouse gases. So, it warms .1c from CO2, then there is more water in the atmosphere because warm air holds more water. That additional water warms the atmosphere further.

Also, I think you'll be hard pressed to find a scientist who doesn't agree that the atmosphere has warmed significantly. The small cadre who are called skeptics don't believe that most of the warming is caused by human released gases.

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This topic highlights another reason why Republicans always seek to starve the education system of funds. And this thread is proof that it works.

Imagine if the American population was actually educated about science. Wow. It would be so much harder to ignore global warming, stem cell research, or cave to the Creationist retards. The GOP wouldn't be able to sell out the country to polluting industry, drug companies, or the fundamentalist megachurches. How would they ever survive?

wow the most uneducated post I've seen in a while... Republicans tried to invest unprecedented amounts of the budget in education, only to be blocked by fruitloops from the left... America, last time I checked dominates International University Ranking every year in every field, especially science, in both the public and private sections... In the American system opportunities are everywhere, the problem with education are people like you who have unlimited faith in some institutions (IPCC) because of their unholy alliance with your side, yet have no respect for the thousands of non-partisan scientist who put their careers on the line for integrity's sake and publish data the contradicts the finding of your fear monger Al Gore... great to hear an uneducated prick like you bring up stem cells, the field created by the "drug companies of the GOP" as a means of raising stock price over miracle, voodoo science that doesnt work, yet it was the GOP that gave them the middle finger, not your saviors Al and Tipper Gore... Its been proven that your own fat cells are a more viable source for regenerative medicine than non-differentiated Stem Cells, you might want to try a class in SETS AND LOGIC 101...Republicans dont believe in mega-churches... last time I checked it was your boy B-rock Hussein Obama who went to the mega-church, as well as "60 second flipper" Kerry before B-rock... so quiet the liberal "emotional feelings" arguments to yourself, take that course in SETS and LOGIC, and then work on looking at things without getting your liberal feelings in way of FACTS.... Oh and last time I checked the areas with the most pollution in this country like California and New York City are demographically liberal by a large majority, so your party does a great job with the do as I say, but doesnt exactly set much of an example... or do you feel this is part of a republican conspiracy, just like JFK?... the ironic part about it all is that the republican Governor of California, who the liberals love to make fun of all the time because of his accent, is the person in the state making the greatest strides to clean up the liberal trash, not the uberwealth liberal in LA etc, ... seems like they have other priorities, except for Decaprio (sp?) with his solar panels that took 20 years worth of their electrical output to make, lets see if they last that long, with long single crystals of silcon that are amazingly difficult to grow... I hope a mudslide doesnt crack one because then it becomes practically useless....

You have absolutely no evidence as to what the Earth's carrying capacity is, or will be... only once again biologists trying to be scientist and make models, instead of sticking with field work... these model dont take into account global adjustment and advancement in technology, nor are they based off anything that resembles facts, only shots in the dark and supposition...

Gator wrote:

You have absolutely no evidence as to what the Earth's carrying capacity is, or will be... only once again biologists trying to be scientist and make models, instead of sticking with field work... these model dont take into account global adjustment and advancement in technology, nor are they based off anything that resembles facts, only shots in the dark and supposition...

Thanks, but you're wrong.

I didn't say what the capacity is. Just that it is fast approaching. Which is a valid conclusion based on two things...

1) It is approaching because population is growing. Therefore it is mathematically going towards that capacity, whatever it may be. If the population is some number, and you add more people to it, then we are approaching the maximum number.

2) It is FAST approaching because human population is growing at an exponential rate. The rate of human reproduction has exploded recently. In the 1700's it wasn't on such a quick trajectory. But recently humans have gone to an exponential growth. Therefore it is FAST.

You and Mirage sound like good friends over at the special house.

I wasnt talking about why there is water in the air, I understand that one, you think I'd be hard pressed to find a scientist who doesnt agree with Global Warming... well think again, unlike the liberal left I looked at this issue long before Gore and his "Convenient Lies of the Liberal Left", and came to my own conclusions based solely on SCIENTIFIC, PEER REVIEWED, PUBLICATIONS, not an unedited lie of a profiteer (Gore)... oh and I'm not a conservative (nor a liberal) , I believe in free health care for kids, I believe in trying to keep biodiversity and wilderness, but not through fear-mongering and suppression of the truth... It's this little something called integrity... also how are sea levels going to rise 10m (I think thats what Gore said) of the said water is becoming vapourised, thus there is more water in the air therefore less in the ocean... every heard of regulation mechanism, or would that point to the possibility of a God and liberals cant have that, that'd be like losing two birds with one stone...

For lack of time or energy to go through and find the various damning publications to global warming (also because of the assured fact that most liberals wont read it, because just like Gore, they'll follow the "it doesnt prove their point therefore bury it, hid it, sure as hell dont read it" theory) heres an incomplete list of various scientist with many valid contentions on every aspect of Global Warming that you've probably never heard mostly summarised for you (if you dont feel like reading 5-10 pgs each at a rate of a page every 5mins) with links to publications, as well as an article to read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming

http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/316/7138/1164

as well as a book which as much more scientific backing that Gore's movie, State of Fear by Michael something (the guy who wrote Jurassic Park, so its entertaining as well

If we dont know what the maxima is for capacity, we cannot say it is fast approaching this is the speech of a fear monger the sky is falling logic... this is like saying your at a velocity such that your going to drive off a cliff, if you dont know the stopping distance, you cant know whether you've going off the cliff or not... also Population change isnt as simple as a single variable differential equation, thus calling it exponential is like me saying a white guy robbed the bank who was between 5ft and 7ft tall, it real helpful at pointing out the obvious there Tommy Malthus... something can only be on a given path if it has a specific mathematical model for interpolation, using data from 1700's for a model that doesnt have accurate points from less than 500 years before that, and then trying to make a suggesting about the second derivative at a point 300 years after, is know as extrapolation (the world of death in math)... thus your suggestion about the rate being fast or slow is once again only a liberal feeling without mathematical backing, or reasoning ability behind it... you can take SETS and LOGIC as well as modules on LIMITATION OF MATHEMATICAL MODELING with your friend

Peak production and depletion of fossil fuels is going to be a much larger and more immediate concern than either global warming or overpopulation.

It'll take a few decades to see severe impacts from global warming. Even if the whole arctic ice melts, sea levels won't rise because that ice was floating on water, not on land. Besides, crops will become a bit more productive as a result of greater co2 levels. This will initially cancel out the effects of droughts predicted by global warming.

Overpopulation isn't too much of a concern either. Most industialized countries have a birth rate that is lower than the death rate. The U.S is one of the very few industrialized countries that is still growing at a steady pace, and this growth can be easily stopped by preventing all immigration (legal and illegal).

Peak oil production, on the other hand, is quickly approaching if it hasn't been reached already. Just look at the news lately: $125 a barrel oil, Saudi Arabia not being able to increase production, skyrocketing demand from India and China, declining prodution from Russia, the North Sea, and Mexico, etc.

Gator wrote:

I wasnt talking about why there is water in the air, I understand that one,

So why did you raise that as some sort of objection to climate science?

because a number of people make it out to seem as if it's a matter of just wanting change to occur, but this illustrates two points the first being that liberals dont know the science behind there own theory on things, and the second is that the hydrogen this hydrogen that is fundementally flawed logic because the byproduct is H2O vapour... they're so quick to point at this and that but in actually they arent helping the problem only making it worse... so the only two major viable alternatives left are nuclear and geothermal, geothermic is regional selective, so that leaves nuclear which is being blocked by liberals left and right, they dont want to fund the research to make it move viable and environmentally safe, nor do they want more plants to be built, so it seems that liberals are forcing the cards to the industry they've invested in biofuels ,the greatest of the 7 deadly sins, or fossil fuel with their carbon emissions... great track to put this country... profiteering scam or nothing

it's hot here.

like really hot.

like "Al Gore Hot".

serious.

but the forcast is changing and it should be cooler by midweek.

then global warming will be a myth again.

damn myths.

i hates them.

Gator wrote:

You have absolutely no evidence as to what the Earth's carrying capacity is, or will be... only once again biologists trying to be scientist and make models, instead of sticking with field work... these model dont take into account global adjustment and advancement in technology, nor are they based off anything that resembles facts, only shots in the dark and supposition...

You obviously have not read any of the papers dealing with the carrying capacity of the earth for humans. For more than 40 years, the models have ALL taken into account the effects of technology increasing the number of people that can be sustained.

Listen idiot you got to go back every decade for hundreds of years, then thousands! Do you have any idea of the warming..and or cooling of the climate in certain decades just 100 years ago! Do you! Obviously it was not mans fault a hundred years ago. It is much like "OH my god all these storms, and twisters and huricanes in the last decade..the most ever!" WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG! Ya go back to a decade 30 years ago, 60 years ago, 100 years ago and you find this decade is nothing. But no matter what proof you bring to idiots like you..it does not matter...just keep yourself and those like you..way away from me!

Did you know that in California, if you buy a new car, you don't have to get it emissions tested for the first 5 years of ownership? It's true.

I'm a big fan of performance cars, so to increase their performance and sound, I remove all catalytic converters from the exhaust system. Gives it one hell of a mean sound and probably another 20 horsepower. Pollutes like crazy, but I can get away with it for 5 years, then trade the car in - no big deal.

If oil is such a finite resource, then I'm going to use as much of it as I can, while I can.

I also like warm weather, so I'm just doing my part to increase global warming. Snow sucks.