He will not even place in top 3 at D II nationals. Good but not good enough.
He will not even place in top 3 at D II nationals. Good but not good enough.
Kosgei ran a 14:26 today at a meet held at Cornell University. That's a pretty serious time.
Right, and Kosgei double-lapped second place.
Impressive early season run.
lease wrote:
Right, and Kosgei double-lapped second place.
why would kosgei run since he only had 2 weeks of rest? that just seems silly for him to run this meet instead of taking time off. could it be because he wanted to qualify for nationals right away without having to worry about losing an edge?
?? wrote:
why would kosgei run since he only had 2 weeks of rest? that just seems silly for him to run this meet instead of taking time off. could it be because he wanted to qualify for nationals right away without having to worry about losing an edge?
Maybe he's going to take some rest now. If you're fit and have the opportunity, might as well go for it.
maybe because he just auto'd? And doesn't now need to worry at all about getting in to nationals? He's obviously in great shape and an additional two weeks of training to get an auto time is a fantastic idea. Now he can train FOR nationals instead of training to QUALIFY for nationals.
You hit that one right on the head. I am amazed that more XC runners do not try to get qualifying out of the way when they are in peak form.
midwesta wrote:
maybe because he just auto'd? And doesn't now need to worry at all about getting in to nationals? He's obviously in great shape and an additional two weeks of training to get an auto time is a fantastic idea. Now he can train FOR nationals instead of training to QUALIFY for nationals.
Why not? I don't know why you would question him after he hit an auto qualifying mark. Now he can cut back, train and do whatever else he needs to do to get ready for nationals. Those who did not run will now have to rebuild to peak form in order to qualify. What a great coaching call.
?? wrote:
why would kosgei run since he only had 2 weeks of rest? that just seems silly for him to run this meet instead of taking time off. could it be because he wanted to qualify for nationals right away without having to worry about losing an edge?
Will SIGL race a 5K in December? Will other top 5K contenders race next weekend?
yo yeah wrote:
?? wrote:why would kosgei run since he only had 2 weeks of rest? that just seems silly for him to run this meet instead of taking time off. could it be because he wanted to qualify for nationals right away without having to worry about losing an edge?
Maybe he's going to take some rest now. If you're fit and have the opportunity, might as well go for it.
Just like the two posters quoted, coaches are in two camps on this point. Some think that it's important, immediately after cross-country has ended, to cycle back to a base phase that will sustain an athlete through the long track competition schedule. (At the American college level, there is essentially little or no break between the end of indoor competition and the beginning of outdoor--some athletes/teams take a single weekend off!) As an example, I've heard that NYU does not open its indoor season until January, and I believe the Cornell distance men also don't start racing until January, maybe late January.
Other coaches believe that their athletes can run a meet (or even two) in early December, to take advantage of their cross-country sharpness, without compromising their distance buildup. These coaches typically have their guys move into a base phase, with no specific track training beyond maybe running a few strides indoors a couple days a week, just to get used to the curves. The day before the meet(s), they cut the mileage a bit, then just go into the race with a relaxed, "let's see what happens" attitude.
I can see the appeal of the latter approach, though I think it can sometimes backfire. I remember that some years back a runner from Williams posted the nation's leading 5,000m time in a December race, then had problems in the new year and eventually ran DFL in indoor nationals. At the time I attributed it to burnout from a very long season, though in retrospect I think it was probably due to illness or injury (which, I realize, can also be symptoms of overstress).
I sometimes tried to split the difference: if you were racing in November (i.e. in championship xc meets), you would start your buildup after them, and wouldn't run any individual distance races in December; but I would let guys run legs in relays, or maybe try other events (generally shorter races) in December meets. Their splits would sometimes be really encouraging, which I found gave some the motivation to stick better to their buildup through finals/vacation/New Year's.
In any case, nothing would surprise me from Kosgei. I could see his breaking 14:00 indoors. Question: Is it possible, even theoretically (time schedule), for a DIII runner to double the 5,000 and SC at outdoor nationals?
lease wrote:
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In any case, nothing would surprise me from Kosgei. I could see his breaking 14:00 indoors. Question: Is it possible, even theoretically (time schedule), for a DIII runner to double the 5,000 and SC at outdoor nationals?
Didn\'t Yuot do the 5k, Steeple, AND 10k three-peat at outdoor nats (and win all three)?
Yeah, he did. And last year, Erichsen doubled and was 2nd and 4th. It is definitely possible to do.
Midwest Rocks wrote:
You hit that one right on the head. I am amazed that more XC runners do not try to get qualifying out of the way when they are in peak form.
it's not always that simple. for one thing, the first indoor meets don't start until 2-3 weeks after nationals. that's a long time to hold a peak. not a lot of qualifiers happen in december, and I think that's not just because they don't try.
like another poster said, also, sometimes it's better to start some kind of base-work early. this usually improves one's chances of doing well late in the outdoor season, which is what counts more than the end of indoor for most people.
seriously are we really criticizing someone for running 1 indoor race in December? give me a break. And its quite likely that could be the fastest 5k time indoor for all of D3 when all is said and done. Just let him run for crying out loud.
Oh yea when Mike Sawicki from Otterbein got his time for Nationals at the Kent State meet in December it hurt him so bad by indoor nationals he was only 2nd to Yuot.
basista from mount union is running..watch out for him. he probably thinks he will run 14:30 or faster. he always has a excuse to why he ran bad.
Yeah and look what Sawicki did outdoor that year...
Not saying that was the reason but from what I've seen, a lot of guys who run a fast time in December off cross fitness are at their best indoor and fall off outdoor, or end up hurt. Certainly, you're entitled to your own opinion but I don't like extending the cross season like that. Hopefully, Kosgei is such such a beast that running 14:26 was nothing for him, in which case he should be ok.
miles of trials wrote:
seriously are we really criticizing someone for running 1 indoor race in December? give me a break. And its quite likely that could be the fastest 5k time indoor for all of D3 when all is said and done. Just let him run for crying out loud.
Oh yea when Mike Sawicki from Otterbein got his time for Nationals at the Kent State meet in December it hurt him so bad by indoor nationals he was only 2nd to Yuot.
I wasn't criticizing him, I just meant that it's a risky tactic for a lot of people (at least his race was two weeks after nationals instead of three).
it doesn't surprise me that you bring up Sawicki, since I think he's ONLY person who qualified for indoor nationals in December before Kosgei in recent years. and like another poster said (whether or not it's related), his outdoor season didn't end as well as his indoor season.
Dan Whisler from Mount Union. Smartest kid ever.
If you are trained well, you can hold a peak for a number of weeks. Peaking is not a one week or one meet happening. With his talent, it is totally possible that he ran his 14:26 with just running easy distance after the xc season.