Wrong. Most of those guys are younger than Hall, and
Meb seems stuck on 2:09:53, he will not beat Hall.
Wrong. Most of those guys are younger than Hall, and
Meb seems stuck on 2:09:53, he will not beat Hall.
What I don't understand is why everyone is saying that he needs to focus on the 10k next. His goal had been to run a spring marathon and that is obviously the goal when they prepared his training schedule and the half marathon was just a stepping stone to that goal. Now that he runs a 59:43 he needs to change his goal and move down to the 10k? His half marathon result should stoke his fire and enforce what he already knows, the marathon training he is doing is working.
Without being his coach or Hall himself, it's difficult for me to jump to the same conclusion.
People just refuse to believe that he has plans to run a marathon, even when he has said so. They also refuse to believe that he has been goal oriented with this in mind. Finally, they think he has to fail miserably, as have many before him, despite the fact that modern training has resulted in some spectacular debuts, such as Paula's and KK's.
Also, since he has proven he can run a Half with the best, I think he should go to Lisbon and rake in some big bucks. I believe they would pay him a hefty appearance fee (never mind winning outright).
Isn't it possible that, while an incredible time, he can (and will) run much faster for 13.1? That perhaps this was a mere training milestone in a marathon plan?
I think Ryan ran 59.43 off marathon training not 10k/HM-training. I have huge respect for Renato, but guys like Terrence Mahon and Joe Vigil know their stuff too. They know how to prepare a runner for a world class marathon, I don't think they would put him in a marathon this spring if he wasn't ready to run with the best.
2.10/2.12 is Sell, Cabada and Gilmore standard.
2.06/2.08 is where Hall will be, just a different level.
Again, there is NO one answer to that here. Mizuki Noguchi was known as "the Half Marathon Queen" for a couple of years before she tried the marathon--ran 2:26 (I believe) at Osaka (or was it Nagoya...???); ran 2nd to Ndereba at Paris Worlds and gold medal at Athens. But when you look at most Japanese runners HM times, they are NOT a good indicator to their marathon performaces at all--they are too slow for their marathon times!
I don't think ANYBODY here can say anything unless we know what kind of training Hall has been doing and is doing; what his long-term plan is, etc. His past PRs may be some indication but still wouldn't give us a big picture. When Noguchi was running all those halves, their target WAS the marathon. On the other hands, Matsumiya set the world record 30k a couple of years ago but he still hasnt' fulfilled his promise as a marathon runner yet (I think he's run one sub-2:10 but that's about it).
Renato after Ryan Hall's impressive 1/2 marathon I was wondering.
Should an such a young (24 yrs olds) athlete that just ran sub hour 1/2 mar be concentrating on the track or the marathon?
What would you advise an inexperienced athlete in international competition that just ran such a time to concentrate the track or marathon?
Should he be concerned about his 3:42 1500m speed when he goes to the Olympics and Worlds?
Strength increases a persons ability to run faster, or rather, quicker and have better speed. With the recent display of improved strength and stamina, you would think that Hall could go back into the track season and improve on some of his PR's, possibly in all events. There's no reason to think that he can't run faster than 3:40, 7:40, or 13:10 now. He ran 13:15 1.5 years ago and is in much better shape now. I deffinately think that he should go after the 10k this summer. Wait and do a marathon in Nov at the trials, and then do the Olympic trials for the 10k in 2008. Hall will run 3:37, 7:36, 13:07, and 27:10 - ish.
Remember, Hall ran 3:42 6 years ago when he was just 18 years old. People are saying he lacks speed, but that PR is old and when he was just a junior. I bet now at age 24 at a period when his training is focused towards the 5k, he could run several seconds faster. If he were to focus on the 1500 (which he should not, but let's say so hypothetically), I bet he could go 3:37 or faster. Still, this is not comparable to the likes of Bekele, but to say he only has 3:42 1500 speed is inaccurate.
monday morning coach wrote:
Remember, Hall ran 3:42 6 years ago when he was just 18 years old. People are saying he lacks speed, but that PR is old and when he was just a junior. I bet now at age 24 at a period when his training is focused towards the 5k, he could run several seconds faster. If he were to focus on the 1500 (which he should not, but let's say so hypothetically), I bet he could go 3:37 or faster. Still, this is not comparable to the likes of Bekele, but to say he only has 3:42 1500 speed is inaccurate.
All true, but I'd bet he will be able to run 3:34 or faster by next year.
I agree with Nobby as Ryan Hall may very well be training towards a marathon and have more strenght/endurance than speed for a 10000m. The 1/2 marathon was a great performance but without the information as to what he and his coach has been/is gearing his training towards its just a great performance.
Ryan over the last year and half seems to get better the longer the distance; therefore, I'm anxious to see what he can do in the marathon (as I know his coach will have him well prepared)! If he does run a flat marathon course and after his recovery he could be ready for the 10000m by USA trials!
Awesomee Post wrote:
It was funny how all of these pimple headed kids got excited about Ritz's half marathon during his preparation for the marathon. When I saw that he ran 61 and change for the half marathon I knew that he was going to have a tough time over the last 8k of the marathon. .....
What "pimple headed kids" are you talking about? Malmo and Flagpole Willy? Because they were looking for a 2:08:xx from Ritz at NYC (with Malmo saying "if the weather is right"). Does Malmo have an acne problem?
Oh, I, by the way, said Ritz would run 2:14.
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I didn't mean to revive the old thread but I couldn't think of any other appropriate thread to post this (certainly, this is not for "24" thread or "God forbid, endurance training might kill you" thread...).
I just got a book from Japan written by none other than Toshihiko Seko himself. Just glancing at pages, it is very very interesting. He ran his first marathon when he was merely 20-year-old and ran very very badly (the book started with his memory of that marathon) that he swore he would never run a marathon again. His time was 2:26. He thought he was not good at long distance running (remember, he was a 1500m runner in high school). This, of course, was a part of a grand plan by the late Kiyoshi Nakamura. He knew Seko's only chance to win the Olympic gold medal (though he didn't quite get there) was in the marathon and gave the baptism of marathoning early.
Later in the book, Seko said that marathon training, when it comes down to it, is very simple: to develop enough stamina so you feel 35k is the half way point and from there on you can run all-out, and develop enough speed to feel 3-minute/km or 15-minute/5km feel easy.
Just 2-yens from the other side of the world...
Sir Lance-alot wrote:
What "pimple headed kids" are you talking about? Malmo and Flagpole Willy? Because they were looking for a 2:08:xx from Ritz at NYC (with Malmo saying "if the weather is right"). Does Malmo have an acne problem?
Oh, I, by the way, said Ritz would run 2:14.
Grow up kid. I said that Ritzenhein had a reasonable expectation to run sub 2:09:00. I haven't seen anything from him to change my mind.
Other thing to suppose that you can run a very good marathon PREPARING HM : this is completely wrong.
Malmo,
Hopefully you won't delete this post. All I did was agree with the above statement from Canova and point out that you and your HM attitude was the reason that you underachieved in the marathon. I apologize for putting a damper on your expertise on the marathon but it is important for people to understand that an excellent HM does not in any way lead to a strong marathon.
Awesomee Post wrote:
Other thing to suppose that you can run a very good marathon PREPARING HM : this is completely wrong.
Malmo,
Hopefully you won't delete this post. All I did was agree with the above statement from Canova and point out that you and your HM attitude was the reason that you underachieved in the marathon. I apologize for putting a damper on your expertise on the marathon but it is important for people to understand that an excellent HM does not in any way lead to a strong marathon.
Where did you ever get the idea that I "underachieved" in the marathon? The marathon is way outside of my physical profile. What is my "half-marathon" attitude, by the way?
Sir Lance-alot wrote:
Oh, I, by the way, said Ritz would run 2:14.
If you did, it would have been one of the very few times you've been right about anything. That's no exaggeration.
Asplundh Asphalt wrote:
If you did, it would have been one of the very few times you've been right about anything. That's no exaggeration.
You've got that right.